War between Saudia Arabia and Egypt

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Shaka of Carthage RE:War between Saudia Arabia and Egypt 7/17/2003 3:55:10 PM

Egypt. Look at the manpower and population totals the two nations have. Saudi Arabia is not some scaled down version of the US, with the ability to conduct warfare ala PGMs.

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giblets RE:War between Saudia Arabia and Egypt 7/18/2003 3:41:57 AM

If you look in the Saudi arabia section there is an item on Paper tiger minus the tiger, Egypt has at least shown it is willing to fight, and has some modern abrams tanks.

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Heorot RE:War between Saudia Arabia and Egypt 7/18/2003 6:04:28 AM

Egypts 6th army did very well against the Israelis in their last war. The Israelis couldn't break in to thier position and lost a lot of materiel trying. The Egyptian troops realised that it was possible to fight the Israelis and not lose. The face this gave them is the reason they were able to negotiate a fair peace. Confidence is a crucial factor in Arab armies and I suspect that this confidence would give the Egyptians a considerable edge.

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df-10 RE:War between Saudia Arabia and Egypt 8/18/2003 2:21:45 AM

I say Saudi Arabia would win because Saudi Arabia would have the backing from countries like USA Britian.

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giblets RE:War between Saudia Arabia and Egypt 8/18/2003 3:36:54 AM

Good point df-10, however, that would be due to oil, though, Egypt has the Suez canal it could use as a barganing chip. What reason would the war start? Thinkthat woudl have a major bearing on 'sides'. On their own, my money would be on Egypt.

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Thomas RE:War between Saudia Arabia and Egypt 8/18/2003 4:03:00 AM

I'm not so sure the west would support Saudi. If Egypt could get the fundamentalists under some sort of control and become somewhat like Turkey - why should the west support the Saudies???

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df-10 TO: giblets 8/18/2003 5:41:58 AM

well don't forget Saudi Arabia has the worlds largest oil reservise in the world.

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AlbanyRifles My money is on the Egyptians 8/18/2003 8:21:53 AM

Having attended several US Army schools with officers of both countries, I found the Egyptians to be much more professional than the Saudis. Having said that, who would be the home team and who would away team? What would be the reason for the war?

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swhitebull RE:My money is on the Egyptians 8/18/2003 8:50:08 AM

Good point by Albany- you need to set the context for the conflict, in geopolitical terms BEFORE you start lobbing missiles at each other- ASSUMING that these coutnries act in a rational manner (and if the Saud's are toppled by a radical islam movement, all bets are off- though I surmise that 1) it wouldnt last longer than the 1st MEB can land; or 2) the other Arab countries wouldnt tolerate such a regime in their midsts; or 3) Israel takes it out themselves if they perceive their existence threatened.) Aside from Egypt's "excursion" and use of Poison Gas against the Yemenis under Gamel Abd-Al Nasser, (IIRC, it was the BAD communist Yemenis, rather than the GOOD communist Yemenis (I confuse the 2 countries there at the tie), Egypt has shown NO interest to get involved OVERTLY in Arabian Peninsular affairs, other than to keep the REd Sea open for Canal traffic. Should there be a perceived threat to its shipping lanes (as Israel did from Egypt in 1956 and 1967) THAT could be construed as casus belli, and lead to armed conflict between the two nations. Clearly, this WOULDNT be a land war- it would have to be fought primarily between air and naval forces (with a couple of IRBMs thrown in for good measure). How about we discuss the capabilities in THESE arenas, given this basis for a conflict. swhitebull

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giblets RE:My money is on the Egyptians 8/18/2003 11:00:56 AM

another imnportant point would be the fact that Saudi is the home is Islam, the majority of muslim countries would be VERY concerned with the west joining any invasion of Saudi, think the support would mainly be equipment and intel for this reason. Obviously this depends on the surrounding arab states, and as I think we all realise here. What is the context for war?

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SGTObvious Take a Second Look at Great Canadian's Question. 8/18/2003 12:17:39 PM

GC asked "who" not "which of the two". The obvious answer is: The United States, Israel, and to some degree the rest of the non-islamic world.

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celebrim RE:Take a Second Look at Great Canadian's Question. 8/18/2003 2:36:39 PM

This sounds like one of those War College problems your asked to write a paper on just to prove you can analyze a situation that doesn't make alot of sense. My money would be on Egypt, which has huge leads on SA in terms of economic diversity, professionalism of its armed forces, population, and fighting spirit. I don't believe the US would support Saudia Arabia vs. Egypt, in fact if the present Egypt invaded Saudia Arabia, I'm guessing the US would be secretly cheering. I know I would. On the other hand, if there would be some sort of Fundamentalist breakout in Egypt which led to some factions desire to 'reclaim Mecca' with the excuse of Saudi's ties to the US, then you could bet we would take that very very seriously. I tried to look for some possible political scenarios that might lead to a war between SA and Eygpt, but I could find none that even seemed plausible. A couple of remotely plausible scenarios I could come up with was an Arabian front in a larger Sunni vs. Shia war popularly over control of Mecca, but pragmatically involving Sunni fear of Shia dominance of world oil reserves and the accompaning lose of power that would entail. Probably Turkey vs. Iran, and that scenario would itself probably collapse if I knew enough to know where to pick it apart, and of course none of this is going to take place while we are on the ground in Iraq and to make the scenario work you have to come up with some reason to keep the US from directly intervening. Another possible scenario would be a widespread revival of Sayyid Jamal Al-Din's call for a Pan Islamic state in some sort of modernist and progressive form, perhaps supported to some extent at a grass roots level in the Arabian penisula and elsewhere by middle class Arabs as an alternative to the corrupt Sunni autocracies and the repressive luddite Wahhabi death fanatics. Here what we are looking for the arrival of 'the great leader', and one which doesn't scare the piss out of the West but can at the same time engender wide spread admiration from the Islamic world. It might then be possible to see Egypt intervening in a Saudi Arabian civil disturbance.

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Nilefury RE:War between Saudia Arabia and Egypt 9/2/2003 9:27:16 AM

Yes Saudi Arabia would win, but I think it's highly unlikely that they would fight in the first place. :)

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Yamato RE:War between Saudia Arabia and Egypt 9/4/2003 4:56:49 AM

Why a war between Egypt and Saudi arabia? For the leadership in the Arab world? Anyway... In theory, and without thinking that it depend of the domestic and foreign situation at that time, Egypt will win without doubt, and quickly. Saudi Arabia is really a regional tiger of paper. The manpower power of Egypt is far more important. Egypt is a real national army, but Saudi army is made of mercenaries. Than, the Egyptian troops are more motivated and ready for taking risks to protect their land and people. Also, Egypt have also modernization: Abrams, F-16, etc... Now, it's not only Saudi Arabia which have modern weapons. Saudi Arabia is a very divided society,with inner political rivalries. And, the Saudi National Guard is like a private army owhich can be against the royal army. Egyptian army has more experience than Saudi. The organization of the Egyptian army is stronger. They have better training than in Saudi armed forces. And they can fight without support of foreign specialists against a country like Saudi Arabia. At the opposite, Saudi army is nothing without the support of US specialists. and, the US will withdraw from Saudi. Moreover, in the current situation, the US will never fight against Egypt to support Saudi. The situation is even at the opposite. USA have bad relations with Saudi which support perhaps in the secret the Islamist terror. Then, today, the USA will prefer to support Egypt. Anyway, with or without US support, Egypt will win against Saudi Arabia.

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Nilefury RE:War between Saudia Arabia and Egypt 9/4/2003 5:40:26 AM

I wish that was the truth. Saudi Arabia has: 1-M1A2 not in Egypt 2-F-15 not in Egypt 3-Largest military budget in the middle east 4-New IFV El-Fahd which is no laughing matter 5-The money to sustain long operations which Egypt just doesn't have. Egypt's shoping list to stand a fair chance of winning is as follows: 1-200 T-95 (when they are fielded) employing digital control systems used on Leclerc. 2-400 T-90s upgraded with 2nd generation thermal imaging from SAGEM France. 3-800 T-84 all the afore mentioned tanks should try to employ the chinese active laser counter measure used on the Type98 tank. 1-All armour divisions should employ BMPT vheicles in their formations.(3 armour divisions at most) 2-All mech infantry should use BMP-3 as their IFV. (6 Mech infantry divisions not more) 3-Su-37 , Mig-35 , Rafale should be procured for the air force inventory. 4-Buk-m1 , tor-m1 , S-300 SAM systems should be employed. 5-Significant cruise missle ability must be present. 6-Tactical ballistic missle ability should be present. and let alone the navy which can transport most of this equipment SAFLEY to Saudi Arabia under battle conditions. So i think judging by this data we are Far ILL Equiped to fight an island in the carribean. :))) 2-

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