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fullamongo RE:Top Ten Armies of the World 3/28/2004 3:34:39 PM

UK navy has 8 type 23s, 6 type 42s and air cover. i don't have a clue what sized force they could escort. can a type 42 still only engage 2 targets at a time?

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Gray RE:fullamongo 3/28/2004 4:37:31 PM

"UK navy has 8 type 23s, 6 type 42s and air cover. i don't have a clue what sized force they could escort. can a type 42 still only engage 2 targets at a time" The RN actually has: 9 T42 air defence destroyers 4 T22 anti-submarine / general purpose frigates 16 T23 anti-sub / gen purpose frigates (Naturally these would never all be available for any one escorting task due to other commitments.) As to what sized force they could escort, well that depends more upon the threat than the cargo. Escorts are deployed according to what they are likely going ot have to defend against. Eg. NO air threat, no need for a 42, use a 23. V SMALL air threat, a 42 will be present. LARGE air threat, multiple 42s present etc. 42s don't have a phased array radar, so yes, their twin fire control radars are only capable of targeting 2 targets at a time. Seeing as how the 42s only have a single (twin) SAM rail, albeit automatically reloading, even if they could target more they would have nothing to shoot with.

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RM-Nod RE:fullamongo 3/28/2004 5:49:23 PM

We have 11 T42 not 9. Yes I see your point about it depending on the threat but I would bet the RN have a minimum escort number and layout.

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Rule Britannia RE:Top Ten Armies of the World 3/29/2004 9:46:42 AM

"depends on how many tyre 45's they decide to buy. they seem to be cutting that amount by the day." -Based on the reliability of your previous posts I will take the liberty of correcting you. The intended order still stands at 12 Type 45 Daring Class Destroyers with the first, HMS Daring entering service at the end of 2006. The Royal Navy have no standing ceiling of commitment other than the numbers of ships in the fleet. They are able to support all of them in action. The Projection capability of the Royal Navy is substantial although it is not quite on the same level as that of the United States. We can land a substantial force more effectively than ever before on enemy territory using not only main gun bombardment but also Harpoon and TLAM strikes. The Type 23 is probably the most advanced of its type in the world and the Type 42 is still a capable warship, especially against our typical enemies. Our Mine Countermeasures vessels, the Hunt and Sandown Class are the most advanced of their type and can provide a clear path onto a landing area. The UKAF can also be given CAP from the SHAR and in the Future the Harrier GR.9A and F-35. The landing ships HMS Albion and HMS Bulwark, LPH HMS Ocean along with the shortly entering service Bay class vessels can support major amphibious operations and those can be supported by 5 LSL's of the RFA. The spearhead of the UKAF, 3 Commando Brigade Royal Marines and its associated Commando units (40,42,45 Commando) are some of the best-trained and equipped soldiers on Earth. They use some highly capable equipment to get ashore including: LCU?s, LCAC?s, RRC?s, IRC Mk2?s, Mexeflotes- that can bring all sorts of vehicles ashore; from Challenger II MBT?s to Land Rovers. Other equipment can be brought ashore in support of the landing by Helicopters flying off various vessels in the Task Force: including the LPH, HMS Ocean which can have six Boeing Vertol Chinook sized aircraft ready for flight simultaneously. These aircraft include: The Gazelle, The Lynx, armed with TOW missiles and can carry eight fully equipped marines into hotspots, The Chinook, can carry 39 (70 in Falklands) fully equipped Marines and one AFV or two Land Rovers under it?s belly and finally the Sea King Mk.4 with it?s 27 man capacity and vehicle ferrying capability, it also features 105mm guns and air defence missile systems along with a comprehensive defence suite to detect and deter anti-aircraft radar, missiles and guns. Anti-Submarine support can come from the EH101 Merlin and the Nimrod MR.2/4 can provide an anti-surface screen capability for the fleet. Repelling saturation attacks by aircraft can be assisted by the Boeing E3 Sentry. I think this shows that the UK can invade probably any country outside North America or Western Europe at very short notice and independently support them for up to 30 days.

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Rule Britannia RE:Top Ten Armies of the World 3/29/2004 9:51:36 AM

-Sorry the force can remain unsupplied/supported for up to 30 days.

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Ad RE:Top Ten Armies of the World 3/29/2004 12:46:26 PM

1. France 2. French Reserves 3. Gendarmerie Viv� La France!

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private pile AD 3/29/2004 2:20:43 PM

this is a serious discussion bourd not a joke room. but i have to say that it was a good joke. saying that france is the best force in the world then the reserve force. good 1

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fullamongo RE:AD 3/29/2004 2:54:27 PM

great posts. i got the no of ships by counting the no of ships each class had on the RN link i was given. i don't pretend to be an expert about anything maybe i should 're-name myself correct me if i'm wrong.' i'm sure i read something in FT about the MOD considering cutting the no of type 45's and about BAe being in a spat over how much aircraft-carrier they'll get for their money. anyone have info on this?

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RM-Nod RE:AD 3/29/2004 3:18:59 PM

I'm not sure how you counted 8 then if you got it off the RN site. There has been many rumours about the UK cutting budgets and stuff and problems with this and that but that is all they really are, rumours, mainly due to the speculation about the recent white paper.

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RE:AD 3/29/2004 3:42:25 PM

Only thing the french army is good for is retreating and bringing ammo back to the second line of defence..

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fullamongo how i got it wrong 3/29/2004 3:48:23 PM

on this page: link it gives in the centre 2 examples of each batch of type 42. 3 batches hence i got 6 (which i thought wa a bit low). i failed to notice the list of eleven on the left hand side. On a board with 105 posts only 2 have given their top ten. come on lads, stick yeer necks out!

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Ad RE:AD- Viv� La Franc�! 3/30/2004 3:22:27 AM

I prefer to call these posts? facetious. It sounds a lot more friendly than sarcasm, which of course is the VERY lowest form of wit. If I?m honest (wipe a preverbal tear from my eye) sniff. I miss them! It gets pretty dull on here with out our French ?friends? giving the opposite view to more-or-less everything anybody says. It makes for an interesting argument, which is always good fun! Bring back the French!

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trib RE:AD- Viv� La Franc�! 3/30/2004 6:00:43 AM

lol, your top france three is a little wrong :) gendarmerie is way much better than the french reservist. (especially the mobile unit called gendarmerie mobile, which is used to protect special events, important administration building like the senate, or the parliament and they are also used to be project abroad for peace keeping) and for once it's nice to see a "Vive la france" (there's no accent on those word) here instead of a french bashing thread :)

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gf0012-aust AD- Viv� La Franc�! - bring back French Stratege 3/30/2004 6:14:27 AM

Ad, I agree, I enjoyed fencing with French-Stratege. In the absence of robust debate it always ends up degenerting into a sports thread (which I reckon are more vicious than the military threads anyway). ;)

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private pile BNP the new Power 3/30/2004 9:29:26 AM

i would say the if they come into power you should count UK the 2nd best millatry in the world in numbers on AFV and Fighters. not in troops as our population cant stand up to countrys like china,russia,us i work very close with the BNP and i talk to meny canidates inculdeing the leader. and i know that they plan to spend around 80-100. i dont have a link where it says this but i do work and know alot of people who is in the party

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