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Subject: Top Ten Armies of the World
Arditi    3/4/2004 3:54:10 PM
According to the CIA and other Intelligence Services (European, Asian, African) this is the tally - based on a Combination of Manpower, Technology, Firepower, Training, Resources, Available Reserves, and Nuclear Potential (Current or Likely): 1. USA 2. China 3. Germany 4. India 5. France 6. Russia 7. UK 8. Italy 9. Israel 10. Pakistan
 
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Warhammer    RE:Top Ten Armies of the World- warhammer   6/7/2004 4:51:42 PM
Because Israel has beaten several nations invading them all at once, on several occasions. They have a track record for success with one of the best trained and equipped militaries in the world. Doesn't mean they could go in and occupy russia, but they are very strong for their size.
 
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Advocate Of REason    American infidel   6/7/2004 4:59:06 PM
Do you even know what your are talking about? Israel has a small army does it? how about those half a million active duty professiolnal soldiers or the other seven hundred well trained reservists? how about having more nukes than india and pakistan together? how about having a larger airforce and armored force than all of its neighbors combined?
 
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Advocate Of REason    infidel   6/7/2004 5:00:34 PM
and i almost forgot the insignificant fact that israel has 3 submarines armed with nuclear tipped cruise missles, that little detail has escaped my mind entierly,so i can see how easy it was for you to overlook it.
 
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Advocate Of REason    correction   6/7/2004 5:02:23 PM
had a little typo, by seven hundred reservists i mean seven hundred THOUSAND reservists
 
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Patton620    RE:Top Ten Armies of the World   6/8/2004 10:18:40 PM
in my mind the best armies of the world: 1: United States 2: China 3: England 4: Isreal 5: Russia 6: Germany 7: France 8: Italy 9: Spain 10: none
 
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ex-98C    RE:correction   6/8/2004 10:45:37 PM
Advocate - Not disagreeing with most of your statements, but just to clarify: Isreal has an active force of about 200,000 which rises to 600,000 or so when fully mobilized. The three Dolphin submarines are sub-harpoon capable. There have been suggestions made that the Israelis will convert some of these to have nuclear paypoad, or develop their own indigenious nuclear tipped cruise missile. However, at this point there is no evidence that they have done so.
 
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Warmonger    RE:correction   6/9/2004 9:51:07 AM
ex-98c by half a million i meant to include members of all the services not just the army, the actual number of available reservists really is closer to 700000 and thats not including the people that are normally exempt from service (only child) that can be conscripted in time of war. If you include all those the nummber reaches closer to one million. now about the dolphins, they are specially equipped with 650-millimeter tubes in addition to the normal 533-millimeter tubes. Those larger tubes can only be meant to launch the turbo popeye for which they are a perfect fit since the normal torpedoes are launched by the 533 tubes. The turbo popeye is especially designed and built to carry a nuclear warhead, so you can see where i draw my conclusions from.
 
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Warmonger    RE:correction   6/9/2004 9:53:32 AM
lol, accidently logged in with my old account sorry, i am advocate of reason
 
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Arditi    RE:Israel   6/11/2004 7:58:23 PM
The point is simply that the Israelis have never faced a modern, well equipped, motivated foe with solid economic resources. Their adversaries (be they Egyptians, Jordanians, Syrians, Lebanese, Saudis, Iraquis, Iranians, Beduins and assorted Camels) have always proven to be the opposite. Their success in the Middle East is due to American aide and the fact that most Arab countries are in a Coma. They can beat the Muslims in the same way that the Russians were able to beat the Germans in WWII - with lots and lots and lots of foreign aid. The notion that Israel could sustain a conventional war against most European countries is absurd.
 
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Goths    RE:arditi   6/11/2004 8:22:33 PM
I guess the arab armies didn?t have the most advanced soviet weapons at the time of each conflict along with soviet satellites and military advisors. It want until after the 67 war did the Israelis began to receive the more advanced American weapon systems. this is six years old from jane's but you get the point. Physically, the IDF is in excellent condition,? says Jane?s Intelligence Review. ?The Israeli Air Force is one of the world?s most powerful deployed tactical air forces, and the Israeli Army has more combat-ready heavy divisions than NATO can deploy in Europe.? In the last five years, Israel has received almost $5 billion in arms shipments from the United States and Germany. These deliveries are in addition to $9 billion in U.S. military aid and about $11 billion in additional domestic military procurement and R&D. Israeli armored brigades are made up of powerful Merkava III tanks, Achzarit assault infantry carriers and Puma combat engineering vehicles, supported by Apache helicopters, upgraded M109A6 howitzers and MLRS rocket launchers. Jane?s calls them ?the world?s best-equipped heavy ground-combat units.?
 
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