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Subject: Top Ten Armies of the World
Arditi    3/4/2004 3:54:10 PM
According to the CIA and other Intelligence Services (European, Asian, African) this is the tally - based on a Combination of Manpower, Technology, Firepower, Training, Resources, Available Reserves, and Nuclear Potential (Current or Likely): 1. USA 2. China 3. Germany 4. India 5. France 6. Russia 7. UK 8. Italy 9. Israel 10. Pakistan
 
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fullamongo    GreatBrition - Langer.   5/19/2004 2:19:05 PM
"IRA is from Southern Ireland, not Northern. Therefore, Southern Ireland supports IRA. The IRA bombs Northern Ireland, remember" Complete bull! You're worse than Arditi. The IRA is a predominately NORTHERN IRISH organisation. This is illustrated by the fact that its leader Gerry Adams is from Belfast. If southern ireland supported the IRA then why can Sinn Fein barely secure 6 or 7 percent of the vote in an ellection here in the south. They idea that the Irish government supported the IRA's bombing campaign is preposterous and insulting. On the other hand, serious questions are being asked about British security forces involvment in the Dublin and Monaghan bombings which claimed 35 lives or so. No warning was given and they were designed to kill as many people as possible. In terms of money, the IRA raises funds in the US (check out Noraid, the IRA's official Americain fundraising organisation) and from organised crime on the island of ireland. Personally, I've always supported the SDLP (I can't give them much more than moral support as i'm from the south). Have you heard of them or do you think that every Catholic in the north is looking to blow you up? "Ireland is the second-smallest member of the EU" WRONG again. Have you had your head up your ass all this month? 10 new member states joined the EU on my 1st. Most of those who joined are smaller than Ireland. Your figures for the UK do not necessaraly apply to Northern Ireland. For instance, its unemployment rate is 7.4%, higher than the average UK rate. The rate for Roman Catholics is higher again. These figures aren't bad but you can see what Arditi was getting at. You have comprehensively displayed the sort of ignorance towards ireland that does your fellow Britons, like Ad for instance, a diservice. Fie on you sir, fie!
 
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Arditi    RE:Arditi - Please respond to this   5/19/2004 3:18:53 PM
To RM-Nod: In all honesty I don't see the point in furthering this aspect of the discussion. You consider Northern Ireland a separate country - I do not. The whole Island is Ireland. From my perspective, any intrusion on the Island is a foreign invasion allowing any type of response by tne natives that will dissuade further encroachment. Why don't we just leave at that and agree to disagree.
 
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JohnBarry    RE:GreatBrition - Langer.   5/19/2004 3:20:17 PM
"IRA is from Southern Ireland, not Northern. Therefore, Southern Ireland supports IRA. I agree with fullamongo. I take it GreatBriton thinks that the South is supporting the IRA to drive the British out and reclaim the North.--- WHAT THE H*LL WOULD THEY WANT TO DO THAT FOR!!!!! The British have loads of trouble with the IRA and the Catholic minority even with all the UK's counter-terrorist, counter-insurgent experience. Can you envision the problems the South would have handling a PO'd Protestant population twice the size of the Catholic population the British are trying to handle. The Protestant terrorist group are every bit as bad as the IRA.
 
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verbero    RE:Rule Britannia    5/19/2004 4:22:53 PM
I've joined this thread late so apologies if I'm repeating things already covered. There are two Rolls Royces. Cars, which is indeed now owned by BMW and the Gas Turbine manufacturer. AFAIK RR Gas Turbines owns Allison of the US. They supply among others, engines for the AV8, the V-22, the C-130 and the new Comanche. I believe that they cannot be taken over by a foriegn company due to military supply issues. Tesco 2003 sales £33 billion (from the Tesco page), Aldi 2002 sales (est) $33 billion (from Forbes), Lidl revenue 2002 approx 22 billion (I'm presuming US dollars since the figures are from Yahoo.com's finance section). I think we can say that Tescos, athough possibly not as large is certainly 'playing with the big boys'. Other than the above points, I agree with everything you have said. Also London did more currency trading per day than Tokyo and New York put together (see the Federal reserve Bank of New York for details). I'm not sure if this is still valid with the ECB being in Germany though. Anyway, I am not convinced that having a large manufacturing sector is such a good thing. Why can't Britain be succesful in services? Ok, enough rambling.
 
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RM-Nod    RE:Arditi - Please respond to this - really respond to it   5/19/2004 5:46:17 PM
"In all honesty I don't see the point in furthering this aspect of the discussion." I thought as much. You can't answer ANY of my question can you? So instead you post this thing about not seeing the point in furthering the discussion. By the way, my questions weren't all about Ireland either.
 
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Ad    RE:Rule Vs Arditi   5/19/2004 6:04:04 PM
RM-Nod, he?s possibly to busy writing up his memoirs. No doubt stuck on his period in the 60?s and early 70?s, where I would hazard a guess, he was somewhere in Cambodia, near the Ho Chi Minh trail. Just to support what has been said about the Southern support for the IRA. As far as Chief of Staff goes, there has never been a Provisional IRA leader from the south. If you go back to the switch from the Irish Volunteers, then the Chief of Staff (only in name) was Carl Bruegh, with the effective leader being Michael Collins, both being from the South. PIRA Chief of Staff Sean MacStiofain- Dec 1969- Nov 1972 Joe Cahill- Mar 1973 Seamus Twomey- June 1973 Eamon Doherty- July 1974 Seamus Twomey- Dec 1977 Gerry Adams- Dec 1977 until February 18th 1978 Marin McGuiness- Oct 1982 Ivor Bell- Sep 1983 Kevin McKenna- Oct 1977 Tom ?Slab? Murphy- Present The Hillsborough Agreement in 1987, signified the South?s governmental stance on the IRA and the North. So I find what your saying to be entirely false, politically. That doesn?t mean to say that there isn?t a large part of the South, which does support the IRA, or rather, doesn?t mind seeing the brutal effects of what they have done. There has been so much myth making played out on the Famine primarily, of some sort of Genocide, which has become ingrained in the very psyche of many older generations. This is coupled with the effects of Martyrology, with every failed uprising, from 1798, 1803, 1848, 1868, 1916 etc, that created the idea of the blood sacrifice, has meant that there is bound to be a small section which does support the IRA. Yet equally there is a vast section of the British mainland which supports the UVF, in Presbyterian Scotland and Lancashire in particular. So this isn?t a one way thing. However the difference lies in the reasons for the organisations. The UVF was created in 1912, not as a deterrent for Catholic militants, but for the British and Asquith?s government which was trying to implement Home Rule. The IRA, created out of the Irish Volunteers, which took part in the Easter Rising (1916) are a solely revolutionary (yes the UVF are revolutionary in a sense) militant force, determined on achieving a Republican state. Ireland is far to multifaceted a subject for an fool like you GreatBriton. It takes an awful lot of studying to acquire an kind of useful understanding of the worlds most complex historical study.
 
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Ghost11    RE:Top Ten Armies of the World   5/20/2004 10:10:53 AM
According to generally known information,healthy mind and recent news it all seems like that: 1)USA 2)Germany 3)Great Britain 4)Israel 5)Japan 6)SAR 7)South Korea 8)Singapore 9)Taiwan 10)India
 
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fullamongo    RE:Top Ten Armies of the World   5/20/2004 3:00:03 PM
SAR??? Is that south africa? Where's russia and china in your top ten?
 
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trib    RE:Top Ten Armies of the World- ghost11   5/21/2004 3:55:55 AM
What is the basis for this top ten? I don't understand why germany is above UK on this one, and why Russia, China and france are not there.
 
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ya2    RE:Top Ten Armies of the World- ghost11   5/21/2004 5:13:29 AM
Ghost11 is german thats why .. lol
 
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