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Ad RE:Rule Vs Arditi 5/19/2004 6:04:04 PM

RM-Nod, he?s possibly to busy writing up his memoirs. No doubt stuck on his period in the 60?s and early 70?s, where I would hazard a guess, he was somewhere in Cambodia, near the Ho Chi Minh trail. Just to support what has been said about the Southern support for the IRA. As far as Chief of Staff goes, there has never been a Provisional IRA leader from the south. If you go back to the switch from the Irish Volunteers, then the Chief of Staff (only in name) was Carl Bruegh, with the effective leader being Michael Collins, both being from the South. PIRA Chief of Staff Sean MacStiofain- Dec 1969- Nov 1972 Joe Cahill- Mar 1973 Seamus Twomey- June 1973 Eamon Doherty- July 1974 Seamus Twomey- Dec 1977 Gerry Adams- Dec 1977 until February 18th 1978 Marin McGuiness- Oct 1982 Ivor Bell- Sep 1983 Kevin McKenna- Oct 1977 Tom ?Slab? Murphy- Present The Hillsborough Agreement in 1987, signified the South?s governmental stance on the IRA and the North. So I find what your saying to be entirely false, politically. That doesn?t mean to say that there isn?t a large part of the South, which does support the IRA, or rather, doesn?t mind seeing the brutal effects of what they have done. There has been so much myth making played out on the Famine primarily, of some sort of Genocide, which has become ingrained in the very psyche of many older generations. This is coupled with the effects of Martyrology, with every failed uprising, from 1798, 1803, 1848, 1868, 1916 etc, that created the idea of the blood sacrifice, has meant that there is bound to be a small section which does support the IRA. Yet equally there is a vast section of the British mainland which supports the UVF, in Presbyterian Scotland and Lancashire in particular. So this isn?t a one way thing. However the difference lies in the reasons for the organisations. The UVF was created in 1912, not as a deterrent for Catholic militants, but for the British and Asquith?s government which was trying to implement Home Rule. The IRA, created out of the Irish Volunteers, which took part in the Easter Rising (1916) are a solely revolutionary (yes the UVF are revolutionary in a sense) militant force, determined on achieving a Republican state. Ireland is far to multifaceted a subject for an fool like you GreatBriton. It takes an awful lot of studying to acquire an kind of useful understanding of the worlds most complex historical study.

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Ghost11 RE:Top Ten Armies of the World 5/20/2004 10:10:53 AM

According to generally known information,healthy mind and recent news it all seems like that: 1)USA 2)Germany 3)Great Britain 4)Israel 5)Japan 6)SAR 7)South Korea 8)Singapore 9)Taiwan 10)India

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fullamongo RE:Top Ten Armies of the World 5/20/2004 3:00:03 PM

SAR??? Is that south africa? Where's russia and china in your top ten?

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trib RE:Top Ten Armies of the World- ghost11 5/21/2004 3:55:55 AM

What is the basis for this top ten? I don't understand why germany is above UK on this one, and why Russia, China and france are not there.

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ya2 RE:Top Ten Armies of the World- ghost11 5/21/2004 5:13:29 AM

Ghost11 is german thats why .. lol

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bigtasty RE:Top Ten Armies of the World- ghost11 5/21/2004 3:18:44 PM

my top ten lads..... 1,usa 2,uk 3,france 4,russia 5,germany 6,china 7,india 8,north korea 9,pakistan 10, south korea a bit of a dodgy issue russia really,but im sure if push came to shove those guys would be worthy of their ranking.Oh and Arditi? stop talking bollocks.

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Lea RE:Arditi - Please respond to this - really respond to it 5/21/2004 4:06:52 PM

Gentlemen, I've been reading these discussions for quite some time. I'd rather read than post, but I just had to say something. I suspect those of you who seem to have a problem with Arditi are no doubt British or simply misplaced Anglophiles. There is much in what Arditi says that strikes very close to home. I find him totally interesting and have no doubt that he is Italian. Most Italians of his political persuasion are extremely symphatetic to the Irish "Catholic" cause. As for you NM-ROD, the fact that he does not wish to engage you in discussion does not imply that he has no argument. Perhaps, he simply has a life outside of this Board. As for you AD and Rule Britannia, a little less arrogance and pomposity would make your arguments less sterile. On the other hand, if there is one inherent right in any democratic society it is the right to be ignorant, and both you fellas have exercised that right to the fullest.

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TOXICITIE 2 RE:Arditi - Please respond to this - really respond to it 5/21/2004 4:54:29 PM

Their argument did not start because of Artidi's mentioning (ignorant) of Irland. There are other boards where Artidi has criticized the British. Also, I find it weird you defend Artidi from RM-nod because if Artidi can spend that much time annyonying the Brits and indirectly saying he hates Britain surley he can spend 1 minute to answer RM-nod's questions. I don't see how you can say Ad and Rule are ignorant (they may have had their share of little mistakes). could you link a post of theirs showing their ignorance?

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Rule Britannia RE:Arditi - Please respond to this - really respond to it 5/21/2004 5:46:13 PM

-Lea, I would say the hearty debates orbiting Artiti's rather "sterile" comments were quite productive, i.e the discussion of future economic states and world orders. I would also like to make clear that everything I have ever said on this subject has been based on factual information which is in stark contrast to Artiti's completely unfounded claims of pseudo British political posturing which were indeed reprehensible due to that very fact and coining your phrase were, "ignorant".

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Rule Britannia RE:Arditi - Please respond to this - really respond to it 5/21/2004 6:14:45 PM

-To add further to what I said previously, Arditi claimed that the very cultural and civil structure of the United Kingdom is based upon a the imitation of something superior than it actually is, which is unfounded and is based on no factual pretence, couple that with the similar implication that British people were stupid and that our Army are terrorists, statements I found to be offensive as did many others and his claims about Ireland were rubbished by natives of the Republic. I really don't appreciate being criticised by someone who has made no contribution to this discussion and the fact that you imply that people who do so do not have a life other than posting which is quite untrue in regards to everyone involved.

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Ad RE:Arditi - Please respond to this - really respond to it 5/22/2004 1:46:28 AM

I would also very much like you to post a thread where I have been ignorant. If I may appear arrogant about Ireland, then its only because I have a great passion and desire to talk about this subject as it is what I spent my final year in university focusing on.

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Histocrit RE:Top Ten Armies of the World- ghost11 5/22/2004 6:07:11 AM

In response to the list made by 'bigtasty' I think it is quite represent and accurate, much more so than that created by ghost11 - although I would strike North Korea and maybe do a little switching at the top (USA is of course number 1). But other than that a fine list. (Perhaps we could stay on topic)

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civvystreet RE:Top Ten Armies of the World- bigtasty 5/22/2004 4:39:17 PM

Aren't we forgeting Japan? In under a decade and that isn't so long in terms of mililtary planning/procurement Japan can and probably will be the 2nd most powerful military. Say 2012: 1-US 2-Japan- out from under the US mil. umbrella it'll have to hold its own against China/North Korea. 3. China-obvious 4.UK 5.France 6.Germany -will try to reap a peace dividend as part of the EU and prioritise social programs 7.Russia- arsenal will be obsolete and at that level of GDP one does not build top of the line toys-that-go-bang- would do well to emulate the Japanese in their quest for ZD-zero-defects in production 8. Israel 9.South Korea-another pacific rim nation that will probably build-up its armed forces to face new challenges without US backing- on the assumption that the US will be otherwise engaged 10. India Special mention: Australia- will step up and be counted in policing its neighbourhood given the major fundamentalist/secessionist flashpoints to its NW. This will need force projection capabilities-ripper bonzer...:)

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Histocrit RE:Top Ten Armies of the World- bigtasty 5/22/2004 5:52:09 PM

I strongly agree with this idea; that Japan can become a top military power. There are, however many circumstances which have to occur, both military and political. First, Japan will have to somehow negate the many restrictions that are currently in binding effect (originating from WW2). In addition Japan will have to count on the US leaving the region - which we can count on happening in a very long time. There are also many other events, with regards to China, North Korea, and Taiwan that can occur to disrupt stability (or lack there-of) in the region. It should be remembered that Japan only has the 'potential' to rise in military strength, and does not mean it will happen, within any known amount of time. I strongly believe it could happen however.

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avatar RE:Top Ten Armies of the World- bigtasty 5/30/2004 6:55:08 PM

hi first post...any way can you tell me why everyone has instantly put the united states as having the best army. just wondering.

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