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Subject: Top Ten Armies of the World
Arditi    3/4/2004 3:54:10 PM
According to the CIA and other Intelligence Services (European, Asian, African) this is the tally - based on a Combination of Manpower, Technology, Firepower, Training, Resources, Available Reserves, and Nuclear Potential (Current or Likely): 1. USA 2. China 3. Germany 4. India 5. France 6. Russia 7. UK 8. Italy 9. Israel 10. Pakistan
 
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bigtasty    RE:non stratege!   4/23/2004 3:20:53 PM
british naval superiority negates french airpower.and the british army would thrash the french army,by the way jst out of interest,is the amx frances current mbt?
 
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french stratege    Come back on reality.   4/23/2004 3:35:45 PM
"british naval superiority negates french airpower": in a ground war does UK ship have tracks? ".and the british army would thrash the french army," with 50 % power less with less C4ISR (see Orchidee JSTAR like system)? Come back on reality. The only thing I would like to get from UK is their fleet of 12 SSN.But there is not a lot of blue water navy to fight were this superiority will be usefull. " by the way jst out of interest,is the amx frances current mbt?": no it is the Leclerc.AMX 30 B2 are becoming reserve force.
 
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fullamongo    RE: EU etc   4/23/2004 3:53:06 PM
The £3000 figure refers to Britain being in the EU not being in the Euro, just to make that clear. The positives of being in the EU far outweigh the negatives at present for the UK. This may sound offensive but anti-EU sentiment in the UK seems to stem from Imperial pride of another era. Much of the criticisms of the EU that i see in the Star etc. seem to be emotional rather than rational.
 
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bigtasty    RE:Come back on reality.   4/23/2004 4:05:48 PM
ahh so its now only a ground war? how would your ground forces get said ground? magic carpet perhaps? leclerc is unproven cr2 is.same goes with your entire army.the same cannot be said for the british army. Even when we get typhoons,you would still post these wild claims of french military superiority,`ohh but we have c4isr!` etc etc..... i dont mean to come across as completely dismissing the french armed forces,i dont,but they are not superior to britains,and everyone knows this
 
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fullamongo    RE:Come back on reality.   4/23/2004 4:23:08 PM
Just to piss you Brits off im going to side with the French. The have a carrier capable of operating the Rafele M. You boys have three anti-submarine carriers operating the truly inferior harrier. Ye won't be able to address this defficiency for another 5 years. France actually has a capital ship and is building another, the RN has tradition and a parrot that says "show us your tits" when women walk past it. The french airforce is better than the RAF. Can you imagine a Tornado trying to dogfight with a Rafele? Sure the LeClerc is unproven but the Challenger has been 'proven' against a crap, poorly motivated army with poorly maintained, crap tanks.
 
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RM-Nod    RE:Come back on reality.   4/23/2004 5:20:17 PM
Fullamongo, the Rafale is only in service in small numbers. Though ofcourse the FAF is better than the RAF at the minute. However we do have a far better navy, France's area air defence consists of one ship (not including CDeG). And the number of major combatants in the RN is double that of the FN. What do you mean France has a capitol ship and is building another? Strat, can you post some details on France's C4ISR and why it is better than the UK's. Thanks.
 
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fullamongo    RE:Come back on reality.   4/23/2004 5:38:12 PM
k. The french have the Foch, which is a capital ship. The French were thinking about going in with the UK and building one Future air carrier but have decided to build another Foch type. France has one capital ship and is planning to build another. France's carrier bourne planes outrange the UK's and carry the stealth ASMP missile which the type-42's wouldn't have a chance of dealing with. The French have E-2c's. The UK doesn't. The UK should never have gotten rid of the old Ark Royal.
 
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RM-Nod    RE:Come back on reality.   4/23/2004 6:21:43 PM
The Foch was retired, they have the CDG now and are negotiating with the MoD to procure a second of the BAE/Thales UK CVF type. A capitol ships is simply a ship that is important to the fleet, sometimes defined as a large ship but this is a pointless way of gauging things. A better way of looking at a navy's capabilities is looking at how many flagships they have. A flagship is defined as a ship with command facilities. I'm not sure how many the French have. The ASMP missile is a nuclear cruise missile. The ASMP-A is a largley classified stealth version that is under going R&D. I'm sure a Type 42 would have a hard time against this but I'm also sure a Rafale would have a hard time against a Trident D-5. The French carrier carries better planes but there is only one carrier, if that is disabled then the entire naval fighter force is taken out of action. Also the FN is left without any carriers when the CDG goes into refit, the UK always has naval air power. Are you trying to suggest that the French navy is more powerful than the RN?
 
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Worcester    RE:Come back on reality.-Fullamongo   4/23/2004 10:28:34 PM
Oh usually so sensible Fullamongo my friend, what's all this? I presume you've had a bad day? Even French Stratege on these boards says he wishes the FN were up to UK standards. Part of the French problem is their large army and air force; and that they've put a lot in one carrier. RMNOD answered these points. You may want to bear in mind that somewhere off the shores of the Emerald Isle the Brits have 12 nuke subs with Tomahawk while the French have six. I wont bore with the disparity of platforms except to say it may be better to have 3 flat-tops and 1 LPH and 2-6 LPD's than one full size carrier. Or was this just a wind up of the Brits? In which case I'll say no more.
 
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fullamongo    RE:Come back on reality.-Fullamongo   4/25/2004 10:30:23 AM
"Just to piss you Brits off im going to side with the French." First line of my argument. Seriously, anyone interested in the UK's defence should read this: link You'll have to regester.
 
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