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Ehran RE: Arditi 5/14/2004 12:33:23 PM

i wouldn't say the monarchy has no power. they can refuse to sign laws into existance in england which is power of a sort. they carry great weight with a lot of people both as head of the anglican church and as symbols of the country. they can summarily dismiss a number of heads of state. for instance the queen dismissed an australian prime minister. do not mistake reluctance to use power for being powerless.

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nathan Fullamongo 5/14/2004 12:54:54 PM

I just asked because I thought your quip about tradition and the parrot was hilarious and usually don't find Americans to be that humerous (please, Americans, no offense intended - it's cultural). I've been to Cork and didn't find the city itself that wonderful but wasn't there that long. County Cork is nice (is Killarney in the county?). Really nice folk in your country - the whole of Ireland I mean.

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nathan RE:Rule Britannia 5/14/2004 12:57:53 PM

I thought you made some good points in your last post but German manufacturing has prospered despite Asian Tigers like Japan and S. Korea having made inroads into the sector. There are a number of articles you might find interesting in the latest Economist that are relevant to our discussion. One of them does say that on current trends, the UK's GDP would meet Germany's in 2030 and I suspect it's the one you refer to. I'd remain suspect about 30 year economic predictions. I suppose we'll both just have to wait and see.

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RM-Nod RE: Arditi 5/14/2004 1:06:57 PM

I didn't mean they weren't powerless I meant that they have nothing to do with keeping any "power status" as Arditi seems to think.

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Rule Britannia RE: Arditi 5/14/2004 2:13:38 PM

-And Arditi, the point being made is that the UK is generally the second most powerful nation on Earth when considering the proportionate factors of economic and military abitities and performance and that would translate into being a Great Power and if not state why not and who is, who other than America can match the UK on the general level of power?

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Rule Britannia Nathan 5/14/2004 2:25:49 PM

I'm glad you agreed with some of my points but in respects to Germany what do you think the growing monopoly of China in the primary and secondary sectors will have on German/French industries and would that possibly explain the decline in productivity within Germany? I agree, I suppose we will just have to wait and see, predicting future world orders is incredibly difficult and can only be based on current trends which can be altered dramatically at any time but it is a closer match between already developed nations.

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Rule Britannia RE:Top Ten Armies of the World 5/14/2004 2:34:40 PM

-I would encourage the proprietors of this website to expel Arditi from these boards as he has continually made reprehensible racist and unfounded comments about the UK and the British people in general that has caused personal offence to me and no doubt other British people who debate matters on this website.

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Couac_Attack RE: Arditi 5/14/2004 2:52:52 PM

"-And Arditi, the point being made is that the UK is generally the second most powerful nation on Earth when considering the proportionate factors of economic and military abitities and performance and that would translate into being a Great Power and if not state why not and who is, who other than America can match the UK on the general level of power? " Hum .. Plz rule britania, dont go to such a very sensible point ( dont forget my French feeling ), so i will answer one and for last to this question: FRANCE

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fullamongo Rule Vs Arditi 5/14/2004 3:05:59 PM

In fairness Rule, i hear a lot worse stuff being said about the French the whole time on these boards but the're mature enough to know that it's only words. "Sticks and stones..."

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Rule Britannia RE:Rule Vs Arditi 5/14/2004 5:03:03 PM

-Yes it is said in the context of other arguments but this has been consistent on his part and does not contribute to constructive debate as well as it being of a personal nature in one case and infact implying that the British Army were terrorists is in no way similar to anything said about the French. -Couac, is this France with inferior projection capabilities, a relitively tiny navy and a smaller economy? If it is not a sensible post why was it recently the subject of a protracted debate? -Which I may add resulted in the UK's favour.

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Arditi RE:Top Ten Armies of the World 5/14/2004 6:04:02 PM

There is nothing racist concerning any of my comments in relation to Brits. What is RACIST is your inability to accept any view that does not conform with your bloated version of British might. Again, you are a typical Brit and you just don't get it. Slinging mud is easier and it absolves you from having to be intelligent. If you are so concerned about racism and genocide, why don't you and your contemporaries get the hell out of Ireland. But then again, the way the Irish economy has exploded, I suspect you Brits will be emigrating there in droves very soon.

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Arditi RE:Rule Vs Arditi 5/14/2004 6:07:36 PM

I stand behind my contention: The British Army in Ireland has behaved as terrorists. The IRA -branded as terrorists- are the true patriots.

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nathan Rule Britannia 5/14/2004 6:09:42 PM

I'd be cautious about overstating similarities between Germany and France when comparing those economies with China. I'll stick to Germany for the time being. Germany and Japan are both the two remaining modern economies that both have a significant manufacturing sector. England has been in decline since the second world war and so have most others. Rolls Royce Plc is very much an exception to the rule. The United States has also experienced significant decline and was genuinely worried about it in the 1980s and is now a topical issue leading up to the November elections. Looking at the evolution of national economies is quite difficult and development economics is currently a very vibrant area of economic research. China's economy lends itself towards industries displaying considerable scale like automobiles and consumer electronics. No doubt there will be significant specialisation however, there are some areas in parts of Germany/Switzerland where there are clusters of middle sized companies that are extremely specialised. Many of these companies has decades of experience and has unbeatable know-how. It's easy to think of a finished product like a car or a fridge but those products need parts and the tools to make those parts that very few companies can produce. Germany has incredible expertise in the manufacture of machine tools which is a highly specialised undertaking. When manufacturing in China expands, she will need to import such specialised instruments purely because she cannot hope to make them herself. These companies are simply unknown to anyone outside the industry so although it's easy to quote Germany's famous car manufacturers, and even the large components suppliers like Bosch, if one thinks about all of the parts going into the manufacture of a car then it becomes clear that there are many thousands of specialised engineering/production companies required to supply those parts. I travel quite frequently and the other week I met up with an Englishman who worked in Munich. An, engineer, he works for a subsidiary of Phillips. When I asked him what they made, he told me they made the displays that were used to make flat screen televisions. I was suprised because I thought that the consumer electronics market was pretty much dominated by the Japanese and their neighbours. He told me that they were his customers. The Japanese, he said, didn't have the expertise to produce such sophisticated technology, so they bought them from the Germans. So when people speak of China becoming the workshop of the world, it's important, in my opinion to not forget that doesn't necessarily come at the cost of companies in developed economies. The Chinese are very good at assembling things but how likely are the thousands of small specialist companies to emerge there? Another thing that should not be forgotten is that marketing is also very important and that's not something that the ex-communist countries are very good at. Last year I spoke to the boss of a company making machines that tested computer chip in Germany. His machines were used to test the quality of computer chips made by Intel etc. He told me that he liked to employ Russians because over there you could find super-geniuses that wouldn't cost an arm and a leg. I asked him why the Russians couldn't make the product themselves and he told me that, among other things, they wouldn't know how to sell the things. Productivity has actually improved in Germany recently but that's been a result of layoffs. As for her decline in productivity relative to other nations well it's because of her high wages and huge non-wage costs. It's getting late now and I'll best be off to bed. I apologise to the others for the long non-related post but I'm still waiting for the UK and Germany boards that I've lobbied sysops for.

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Couac_Attack RE:Rule Vs Arditi 5/14/2004 6:13:11 PM

Rule , because you havent really participated to these discussions, i dont understand how you can be sure of all of this .. Then the conclusion of the debate has been more an armistice between French/English then a clear "victory" for one of the two sides. About economy, as long as you will keep your source and me mine, we will just never be abble to agree, as also because we dont see the same economy priorities .. Then about projection power, without considering the gulf war 2 ( because we never wished to go there for Good/Bad reasons ), i dont remember that England had been more has done better than france with her projections abilities. Now i have finished my discussion about it, my last suggestion is that Germany has good chance to take a better economic way in the next decades. ( plz if you really want to comment my post, dont write a book and summarize, its nicer for the readers )

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fullamongo RE:Rule Vs Arditi 5/14/2004 7:15:03 PM

My god Arditi, do you know anything about Ireland? You do know that there's 2 countries on the Emrald Isle: the Republic, which is independent, doing well in economic terms and which doesn't support the IRA. Then you have the north. Thats the one that appears on the news all the time. Its also a money-pit that the UK has had to prop up for the last 30 years. If the IRA are valiant freedom fighters, then why are they selling drugs and robbing banks down here in the south? They're gangsters my boy, pure and simple. The real heroes in the north are the SDLP. Have you ever heard of them? Arditi, Arditi, Arditi. My poor fat friend,(i'm taking a guess ;)) to explain to you the political situation in Ireland would take a book. I reccommend to you "Irish politics today" by neil collins and terry mccradden which i have to go study now as i've a test on it on wednesday, gulp.

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