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Subject: Top Ten Armies of the World
Arditi    3/4/2004 3:54:10 PM
According to the CIA and other Intelligence Services (European, Asian, African) this is the tally - based on a Combination of Manpower, Technology, Firepower, Training, Resources, Available Reserves, and Nuclear Potential (Current or Likely):
1. USA
2. China
3. Germany
4. India
5. France
6. Russia
7. UK
8. Italy
9. Israel
10. Pakistan
 
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Arditi    RE: Arditi   5/11/2004 2:29:13 PM
Britain has become an appendage of the USA forsaking Europe to impress a former colony. It's all part of the illusion of being a Great Power. Eventually they will have to decide to which side of the Atlantic they belong. As for Britain being the number 1 economy in Europe (Gross GDP) - Britain will NEVER surpass Germany. The best it can hope for is equality with France and Italy.
 
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Rule Britannia    RE: Arditi   5/11/2004 3:39:26 PM
"Britain has become an appendage of the USA forsaking Europe to impress a former colony. It's all part of the illusion of being a Great Power. Eventually they will have to decide to which side of the Atlantic they belong." -Suit yourself but ignorant comments like these just serve to show that you have a spiteful attitude towards the UK and totally forget the factual basis of a pretty much parallel foreign policy due to COMMON INTEREST which is not the case with France and Germany and is not compelled by Geographic position. We do not agree on many aspects i.e. Israel but doesn?t mean we are EQUAL partners in many projects like GCHQ/NSA and the JSF to name but two of many and in stark contrast France?s pathetic, isolationist dreams of grandeur and domination of Europe that is impossible as long as the UK exists. It is ignorant people like you who go and do petty, spiteful things like desecrating a Commonwealth graveyard in Gaza on the pretence of false photos of British troops abusing Iraqis. -Get your facts right in future, According to the World Bank and the Governments official statistics office, The UK economy grew at a average 3.5%+ for the last 18 months in contrast to Germany?s 0.2% over the same period with negative growth in the first two quarters of 2003. Is mathematically impossible to say the UK will not overtake Germany at some point as this is a chronic problem for Germany and the UK economy is already larger than that of France and Italy who have modest growth rates in comparison to the UK.
 
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Rule Britannia    RE: Arditi   5/11/2004 3:41:36 PM
"We do not agree on many aspects i.e. Israel but doesn?t mean we are EQUAL partners in many projects like GCHQ/NSA and the JSF" -Switch; "doesen't" to does.
 
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TOXICITIE 2    RE: Arditi   5/11/2004 4:49:16 PM
How embarrassing to just findout that France and Italy are behind the U.K... I find from various comments from Europeans on Britain that Britain is almost the "scum" of Europe. Sometimes I chuckle consistently when I read such "fantasy" from Europeans.
 
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Marcus    RE: Arditi   5/11/2004 5:35:05 PM
Arditi do ypu really think that france doesn´t see it self as a great power? france, the uk or germany will always junior partners to the us.
 
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Arditi    RE: Arditi   5/11/2004 8:32:43 PM
I'm lost as to your logic in connecting me to GRAVEYARD DESECRATIONS. You are a typical Brit in your inability to face reality and the compelling need to attack, resort to name calling and abuse anyone who disagrees with your view of the world. Are you at a loss for intelligent words????? Why the inability to accept reality: BRITANNIA NO LONGER RULES THE WAVES AND THE SUN HAS LONG SINCE SET. Thus the need to: 1. );
 
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Arditi    RE: Arditi   5/11/2004 8:38:45 PM
Sorry, I was logged out--- Thus the need to Cross the Atlantic and steal a rock from the Sovereignty of Argentina, thus the need to keep another rock from the sovereignty of Spain, thus the need to maintain a presence in the Emerald Isle and brand Irish patriots as terrorists and uniformed terrorista as patriots, thus the need to straddle the Atlantic and disparage European Unity for the sake of a former Colony, thus the need to maintain a Monarchy that has long ago sunk into imbelility. I could go on, but its time to eat.
 
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Arditi    RE: Arditi   5/11/2004 8:43:08 PM
The issue I think is how will the European Union fare in comparison to the US. I think that the next decade will be crucial and I also think that the Golden Age of the USA has passed.
 
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TOXICITIE 2    RE: Arditi   5/11/2004 9:40:16 PM
I'm am confused with your logic and state of mind Artidi. I'm darn sure that Italy nor France has the same capabilities militarily as Britain. Atleast Britain can take rocks unlike eveyone but the U.S (and France isn't too far behind). Also You are name calling and you started this argument with "The most Britain can hope for is to be equal to Italy and France" What is your logic for that statment? Also this isn't the first time you have sparked an argument, no one (including the Brits on this board) have talked bull about Italy until you came along with your Anti-Brit garbage. Also I don't see your point on the sun has set the British Empire, I'm wondering honestly wondering what this has to do with anything discussed on this thread. All you have done recently is display your "fantasy" of a helpless Britain instead of giving logical explanations besides "Britain can only hope to be an equal to Italy and France" bull...
 
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TOXICITIE 2    RE:Top Ten Armies of the World   5/11/2004 10:18:54 PM
as far as I'm concerned Britain is a rock. Also I'm not going to even comment on that rotten suggestive typing about the British in uniform being terrorists.
 
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Rule Britannia    RE: Arditi   5/12/2004 9:49:51 AM
"I'm lost as to your logic in connecting me to GRAVEYARD DESECRATIONS." -I did not "connect" you to that crime in the terms you are suggesting but instead implying that people like you who exhibit untrue and unsubstantiated comments and apparent disrespect fuelled by a bizarre hatred for the UK of which only I can think of is against the historical and present success of the Anglo Saxon world in light of it overshadowing continental Europe even to this day, can lead to such disgusting crimes based on blind hatred. How about instead of just stating your "opinions", try baking them up. In regards to the Monarchy, you only have to look at the widespread charitable contributions they make to the UK and the wider Commonwealth as well as the huge public celebrations across the Commonwealth on Her Majesty, Queen Elizabeth II's Golden Jubilee where in London alone over 1.5 million people took to the Mall to celebrate and was watched by around 2 billion people worldwide.
 
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Ad    RE: Arditi   5/12/2004 11:28:51 AM
So basically Arditi, you are a sad little man that has sprouted some nonsense, which has been proved incorrect by Rule Britannia and now your avoiding this issue? You?re a joke. Take your anti-British sentiment and do one.
 
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Jat9India    RE: Arditi   5/12/2004 11:38:21 AM
I don't think GB is overrated militarily, not historically anyway. Alot of military tradition is british in origin or soviet style. india chose the british style of mil.organisation. soldiers fIGHT for each other and for the honour of the "paltan" or unit. ALL units in british indian army order of seniority have retained symbols,regalia,reg silver, Col. of regiment etc. post-independence because no one wanted to give it up- it mattered to much. Example: yearly beating the retreat ceremony is one of the foremost military spectacles worldwide watch it as see the british contribution to military practice. The british indian army was unparalleled since the roman army even eclipsing their own domestic British army in terms of battle experience and training- more to it than Kipling.
 
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Ehran    RE: Arditi   5/12/2004 12:09:42 PM
what manner of chemicals are in your food man? or is it you are off your meds that explains the rain of drivel?
 
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nathan    RE: Rule Britainia   5/12/2004 3:00:09 PM
Mr Britannia, I'm afraid that your economic reasoning is not at all sound. To presume that, on current growth rates at this particular moment in time, that the UK will overtake Germany is simply fantasy. Germany has a number of major economic problems most notably the fact that East Germany is a major burden. Germany's economy is strong enough to be burdened with the east, I doubt Britain could have done the same - I challenge you to find an economist who disagrees. Picking and choosing growth rates today as an indication of tomorrow just isn't sound. If this were the case then we'd all have to fear China because with current growth rates of around 9%, she will someday dwarf the USA. This is nonsense. Once she starts catching up she will slow down (indeed if she catches up at all with her coming banking catastrophe is another discussion). Britain's economy has been growing strong when compared to the rest of W. Europe true. However, most of this is a result of consumption and much of this is a result of credit - a very shaky foundation indeed. Personal debt in the UK is a very serious problem - a better indicator of future economic stability.
 
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