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Subject: Top Ten Armies of the World
Arditi    3/4/2004 3:54:10 PM
According to the CIA and other Intelligence Services (European, Asian, African) this is the tally - based on a Combination of Manpower, Technology, Firepower, Training, Resources, Available Reserves, and Nuclear Potential (Current or Likely):
1. USA
2. China
3. Germany
4. India
5. France
6. Russia
7. UK
8. Italy
9. Israel
10. Pakistan
 
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martin    RE:France vs UK   4/26/2004 10:50:22 AM
Having read alot the above comments I've noticed that France come out of it unusally well against the UK. Although the size of the Armed Forces are similar (with the exception of the UK having a larger navy) the structure of the UK's armed forces are much better suited to all-arms battle. Over recent years the UK has also had much more expieriance of different types of operations from war fighting to peace keeping and it's also had more expieriance of carrying out large scale operations and the logistics needed to do this. Also due decades of fighting as allies of the US, the UK's equipment is tried and tested and is either amoung the the most sophistacated in the world (Challenger 2, Trident nuke subs) or very close to it). So although parts of France's Armed Forces are of a high quality, they're not consistantly good or able to achieve the same level of all-arms capability as the UK. On a slightly less technical point the UK's armed forces are almost universally accepted as being the best man for man in the world and the training, profesionalism and quality throughout all ranks in the UK is without equal.
 
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fall out    RE:France vs UK   4/26/2004 11:15:25 AM
oh god, not again... :/
 
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Ad    RE:France vs UK   4/26/2004 12:31:09 PM
As far as France goes, they have been going through a military revolution, since GW1. (Revolutions being France?s second favourite sport, behind striking) The First Gulf War made it horribly obvious to the French hierarchy that a change was desperately needed, if she was to keep up with her European neighbours. This has been reflected in a change from a conscript army to a professional force. Thus allowing the French to project forces and put them in harms way, something they weren?t previously prepared to do. This on whole, increased the quality of their troops to match a professional NCO corps, previously established.
 
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RM-Nod    RE:France vs UK - Ad   4/26/2004 12:58:20 PM
I didn't see that corporal last tuesday but I'll try and see if he's there tomorrow. My e-mail wasn't working last week so I couldn't get in touch.
 
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Ad    RE:RM-Nod   4/26/2004 3:38:23 PM
No worries.
 
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Arditi    RE: Arditi   4/30/2004 2:20:36 PM
The UK is overrated. Always has been. Overrrated Politically, Economically, and Militarily.
 
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TOXICITIE 2    RE: Arditi   4/30/2004 2:59:08 PM
over rated where? in france lol Man, if you want to go down that road france is over rated. So far the only nations i see commited are U.S U.K and Canada and even Australia. What has Britain not done that france has done in recent years? What other country can stand up and say they have acheived britaian's success and commitments? Can France? I haven't been on this site in almost 3 or even 4 months, I jsut got my computer, as my other one crashed and is now usless, so I can't remembver if you are a Frenchmen or not Artidi, but thats what I am assuming...
 
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Arditi    RE: Arditi   4/30/2004 3:41:32 PM
I am NOT French. The French too are overrated as are the Germans.
 
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RM-Nod    RE: Arditi   4/30/2004 4:06:15 PM
Italy however is vastly under rated isn't it. :)
 
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fullamongo    RE: Arditi - RN Nod   4/30/2004 4:19:59 PM
No one rates the Italians in the first place Nod! I thought you knew that ;).
 
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RM-Nod    RE: Arditi - RN Nod   4/30/2004 6:00:19 PM
This is the first I've heard of Italy :) j/k
 
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Rule Britannia    RE: Arditi   4/30/2004 7:44:35 PM
"The UK is overrated. Always has been. Overrrated Politically, Economically, and Militarily" -Whatever nation you are from, I feel that you possess a sort of spitefulness towards the UK and most probably the whole of Western Europe if not the West itself. Are you an anti-capitalist or something? I struggle to see how you how can justify the claims you have made about the United Kingdom, based on present facts or historically and thus I find them to be fuelled from personal resentment. -In a Nutshell? : Politically, for setting up modern parliamentary democracy in as diverse places as Canada and Malaysia and for actually being the World?s oldest modern democracy? For establishing the largest Empire the world has ever seen which established the roots of modern Globalisation and brought together the cultures of the planet, for establishing Capitalism through mainly the East India Company? (Consult Niall Ferguson?s ?Empire, How Britain Made the Modern World? for more conclusive evidence) : Economically, I?m afraid being the 4th largest economy in the World and having sustained growth that outpaces any other country in the G7 is something not to be argued with, not to mention that with current projections, the UK will become the largest economy in Europe. Arithmetic and basic Numbers cannot be argued with. : Militarily, Having the second largest and certainly the second most capable Navy on Earth? Having one of the largest defence expenditures in NATO? Having the world?s second largest and most capable projection capabilities (UKAF) as well as the Naval and Airborne investments in such procurements as the Bay Class LPD (A)?s, the A-400M and C-17? Generally the best trained, organised and disciplined forces on the planet by using the historic regimental system? One of the best, if not the best equipment and up coming systems on the planet: Challenger II MBT, Apache Longbow, Type 23/45 Frigates/Destroyers, Triton FSC, CVF, AS90, SHAR, Harrier GR.7/9, Eurofighter Typhoon and the F-35, ALARM, AM/SRAAM etc?? -I?m sure further compelling evidence can be seen in the legacy of well-trained, disciplined and successful campaigns the British Armed Forces have fought in since World War II at least, from Korea to the Gulf.
 
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Tigerassault    RE:smudge: India can not reach France with nuclear weapons    5/1/2004 1:36:55 AM
India operates in a much more complex and dangerous situation than France, and any comparison would be futile. A man who lives on a frontier ranch defending his family day and night from raiders and rivals is going to be in a different league from a dude who sits with his sports rifle in his porch and smokes his pipe all day long.
 
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sten wolf    RE:smudge: India can not reach France with nuclear weapons    5/1/2004 11:24:35 AM
same could be applied to israel vs most other armies in the "top ten". what's your point?
 
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Ad    RE:smudge: India can not reach France with nuclear weapons    5/1/2004 12:15:34 PM
What has the civilian population got to do with the army? Are you arguing about a top rate militia? It counts for nothing, as the majority of fire arms are illegal in Britain, yet we still churn out excellent soldiers.
 
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