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Nasty German Idiot RE:Top Ten Armies of the World - mistake 3/7/2004 3:29:09 PM

I think you got the German numbers wrong ... you are refering to this site ? link First of all, the "Streitkr�fte Basis" has nothing but absolutely NOTHING to do with the Reserves, it includes the logictic staff, for example Military Police, Support, Officers Leading staff etc. I think you though this would be the Reserve when you refered to the 50.000 Reserves. The "Civilian Staff" is actually 130.000. and not even included on the Bundeswehr site. neither are there any numbers of Reservists. The numbers of Reservists seem to shock you every time, but it is only 40 % of what we had during the Cold war (1988 it was 900.000 Reservists) The number of 400.000 will be cut to 250.000 to 2010 that will make a mobilisation volume of 505.000.

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RM-Nod RE:Top Ten Armies of the World - mistake 3/7/2004 5:03:15 PM

Do you have a link to the number of German reserve (either in english or direct link please) because I was told about the number of German reserves by a few people.

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RM-Nod My point still stands 3/7/2004 5:05:50 PM

Getting back to the original point the German land forces can't take on a country with nearly one million soldiers (only including proffesionals) without support from the air force, so the list still isn't correct when it comes to that. My point still also stands on the expeditionary. home defence issue.

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RM-Nod RE:Top Ten Armies of the World - mistake 3/7/2004 5:16:47 PM

Forgot to ask, can you tell me how the German system of reserves work. The 400,000 figure as I understood was liable for recall troops (ie ex regulars who are still under contract to be called up) and as such not counted as reserves.

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fall out RE:My point still stands 3/7/2004 6:32:56 PM

sorry RM, but saying that any land army without the support of their airforce would lose is almost like saying Britain would lose a ground war if it didnt have any weapons! Come on mate, i mean if their was a hypo war between germany and britain and british forces landed in France and both didnt have the support of their respective airforces then what do you think would happen? As good as the British army is, it isn't that good. I could say that there is no way of Britain being able to win a war with Spain over Gib if it didnt send it's subs, or it's carriers, etc. This could go on and on, but do you agree with me that it is pointless. oh btw, i was under the impression that India's army was mostly consription which would rule them out of being professional. Regards, Fall Out :)

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RM-Nod RE:My point still stands - misunderstanding 3/7/2004 6:49:50 PM

I didn't say that, that's what Gray thinks arditi was talking about (armies alone) and then someone said that the list makes more sense that way which I totaly disagree with. I know it's pointless saying Germany wouldn't have a chance against the indian army without air force assets but that's what arditis list was about so that's what I took into account. I was just pointing out that if only armies were taken into account then Germanies place would be much lower and India's much higher, do you agree with that? Anyway no matter how you look at it the list is wrong. PS the 990,000 figure is ONLY non-conscripts it has over a million with them.

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RM-Nod RE:My point still stands 3/7/2004 6:57:02 PM

"Come on mate, i mean if their was a hypo war between germany and britain and british forces landed in France and both didnt have the support of their respective airforces then what do you think would happen?" I never said Britain's land components alone could defeat Germany's. Infact I said that if armies were only to be considered Germany would be above us. I then went on to illustrate the point with a comparison of numbers in which Germany isn't that far ahead of Britain, hence it would have no chance against a million man army (not including reserves)

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Nasty German Idiot RE:My point still stands 3/8/2004 6:49:05 AM

"The 400,000 figure as I understood was liable for recall troops (ie ex regulars who are still under contract to be called up) and as such not counted as reserves " That is correct.They are mainly ex-Soldiers, but many sign up for forein missions and they have to train regulary that is why we have 2500 Training grounds in Germany. In my understanding that is Reserves, what do you understand under "reserves" ?

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RM-Nod RE:My point still stands 3/8/2004 8:17:34 AM

Over here we have a very complicated system. We have the TA which are volunteer reserves (civvies and ex regs)of which we have 79,192, we also have the regular reserves who have finished there service but sign up to the reg reserves of which we have 75,367. We then have the liable fore recall number who are still under contract to serve when ordered to, we have about 64,814. Anyway the point is that list still doesn't make any sense no matter how you look at it.

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Arditi RE:Top Ten List 3/10/2004 2:32:51 PM

Very good Gray - I was only talking about ARMY - not Air, Naval, or whatever. I suspect that the controlling issue is "Economics" i.e. the ability to wage long term warfare. Most of the countries on the list are members of the G-7. These are the countries that control the world economy and therefore have the ability to wage long, protracted war. I made no inference as to effectiveness. Of course, most of the arguments that I have seen on this page regarding effectiveness are based on pure conjecture. Few of these countries have been tested since WWII. The Germans have always had an effective military, but that does not suggest that in the next war they will be equally effective.

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RM-Nod RE:Top Ten Armies of the World 3/10/2004 7:24:29 PM

The list still doesn't make sense for various reasons I've already said. Would you mind putting a discription next to each nation as to why you put them where you did (you don't have to do the US I think we all agree with that one)

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fall out RE:My point still stands - misunderstanding 3/10/2004 7:37:11 PM

im not sure that i would agree with india's army beating germany's army with no air assets around. too many factors to take into accoutn such as location, build up, finance, political pressure, stability and "free reigns" for the military. eg, if India 'came over' to Germany and fought the German army then i believe the Indian's would lose, reverse the place and then reverse the outcome aswell. ;)

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RM-Nod RE:My point still stands - misunderstanding 3/10/2004 8:10:30 PM

Just another reason why the list doesn't work. But if you want to suspend reality and put both armies on a neutral island with no advantages then I think the Indians would come out on top. But that's complete balls because that'll never happen but that seems to be what the lists about.

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clarkey188 RE:Top Ten Armies of the World - mistake 3/11/2004 3:05:09 AM

Have you counted the long term reserve in that, That's what I'm in now you still have to report anually and are asked if you want to switch to the regular reserve for service abroad. The long term reserve would boost the numbers substantially.

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RE:Top Ten Armies of the World - mistake 3/11/2004 4:00:03 AM

Im confused, how can the german army be growing in the next few years as nasty german said if there miltary buget just got cut by 30% ( i think its 30% but i dont know for sure)..

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