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mustavaris RE:Death Penalty for Treason - Mustavaris 3/5/2004 7:40:06 AM

One more comment; I wrote that the numbers in Finland were small... Thats not entirely true, they were relatively low comparing to most countriese, but still in hundreds. The number of excecutions done here during wartime exceeds 500. But at the moment I cannot say how many of these occured in WWII and how much during the civil war though I am pretty sure that many of them happened during the civil war.. they tend to be dirtiest of all wars and ours wasnt an exception.

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Worcester RE:Definition of Treason-Mustavaris 3/5/2004 2:16:14 PM

A lot of countries have "given up the death penalty" but arte then surprised to learn it still exists for Treason. Are you sure you don't still have it on the books? Treason not being restricted to wartime, but including subversion of the State.

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swhitebull RE:The Brits in Guantanimo - Rule 3/7/2004 9:17:46 AM

..Any non-Americans, even those from American allied countries, are locked in Guantanamo Bay and are not given free trials. The Americans are breaking the Geneva Convention on Human Rights ... Pretty blanket statement. In what way are these people subject to the Geneva Protocols? Were they citizens of Afghanistan? Were they mercenaries? Were they fighting as formal members of a legally-defined political entity? Did they pick up weapons and start fighting? Please show specifically - rather than just mouthing GENEVA HUMAN RIGHTS - what specific articles of the Protocols the United States is violating, and in what way the detainees at Gitmo are subject to those articles. swhitebull - let's get accurate here, and know what you are talking about, before you talk about what you know.

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Divinewind Treason Laws in the UK 3/18/2004 12:41:23 PM

In 1996 i think the law was changed on treason, up until then you could be hung for any form of treason. Now as rule stated it can only obtained for high treason and piracy. So i am unsure about the men held in camp delta, i doubt they would be charged under treason but rather terrorism as would be easier to prove and more politically viable.

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Divinewind Blackleaf 3/18/2004 12:45:22 PM

I don't think people would be hanged at the tower, as the last prisoner at the tower was Ruduolph Hess it would be more likely to at HMP Bellmarsh (sp?) on something like that. Bellmarsh is the top high security prison in the UK where loads of Class A prisoners are held, most of them lifers and people on remand during high profile cases.

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SpudmanWP RE:The Brits in Guantanimo - Rule 3/18/2004 1:32:58 PM

>>I don't agree with what the Americans are doing at Guantanamo Bay. There is no proof thatb these people did wrong<< They were shooting at us?. I still think that?s ?wrong?. >>yet they are being held as prisoners in appalling conditions without being given a fair trial.<< As opposed to the Iraqi justice system? >>BUT, when the American was caught fighting for the taliban, the Americans didn't lock him up into Guantanamo Ba. Oh no. They took him back to the US and gave him a FAIR TRIAL.<< When they setup GBay, they explicityly excempted American citizens because our constitution only applys to people living in the US and citizens living abroad. GBay is not in the US for a reason. >>Any non-Americans, even those from American allied countries, are locked in Guantanamo Bay and are not given free trials.<< Take a look at the 1993 attack on the Twin Towers and how the Clinton administration handled the bad guys. By using the court system, all the evidence given (in the grand jury) was secret and could not be shared with our Intel people. This is why we no longer use the court system in pursuing an end to terrorist activity against the US. As for citizens of allied countries being held in GBay, their status is being negotiated on a case-by-case basis. >>The Americans are breaking the Geneva Convention on Human Rights<< The GC has to do with war between political entities, not human rights in general. When the GC was enacted, nobody could have dreamt of global terrorism. And as a side note, the Iraqi forces ignored the GC on several occasions that were caught on tape? Remember them reinforcing their positions using ambulances?

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Worcester RE:The Brits in Guantanimo - Spudman 3/18/2004 3:03:42 PM

While I sympathise with your sentiments (I'd hang em all) the people in Guantanamo were fighting for the Taliban, the recognized givernment of Afghanistan. To say the Geneva Convention doesn't apply is like saying German POW's had no rights after the Nazis collapsed. The people in Guantanamo are entitled to Geneva protection (and we are in violation) just as surely as they should be executed by their home nations for treason (taking up arms for a foreign nation against your own.) We don;t accord the legal protection they deserve because we don't want to - period. The problem I have with this is that the purpose of terrorism is to make us destroy our country and our beliefs by overreacting; in Guantanamo, they've succeeded and the bad press it gets us cannot be offset by whatever information they may still have, if any. Hang em, try em or free em; you can't just cage em.

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Worcester RE:The Law 3/18/2004 3:06:39 PM

"When you have chased evil throughout the land and cut down all the laws so it has no place to hide, then, on the day Satan himself turns on you, where will you hide?" Thomas Moore.

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ChdNorm RE:The Brits in Guantanimo - Spudman 3/18/2004 4:51:09 PM

Well said Worcester

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TXAggie93 RE:The Brits in Guantanimo - Spudman 3/18/2004 7:31:17 PM

I have no problem with what we are doing at Gitmo. I do wish that we would have excuted the American Taliban! This war is not over so no release. Keep them locked up.

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