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Subject: War on the Moon
Godofgamblers    10/29/2009 11:57:07 PM
What if alien forces from Pluto occupied the moon.... would we be able to dislodge them? (PS one restriction, in this scenario you are not allowed to use the Rafale)
 
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StobieWan       11/5/2009 10:16:46 AM
CRV = Canadian Rocket Vehicle - the UK bought them for the Apache and they're *vicious* bits of kit - unguided but accurate and with flechettes that can turn an APC into a colander they might be applicable in some modified form.
 
Ground forces would be the least of your troubles I suspect if an invader could invest the moon to some degree, they'd have a terrific advantage to be overcome. Remote control of flying and ground based devices is probably possible from the Earth but I'd expect any advanced invader to start looking at jamming or hijacking.
 
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Parmenion       11/5/2009 7:11:36 PM




Guns should work in space, providing they're modern guns. (Invading the moon with muskets is out then.) They'll work alot better than on earth in fact, as without air resistance a bullet will go about 5 times faster and have 25 times the kinetic energy.




I am not sure where the 5x velocity myth started, but it is simply false.  Actual increase in velocity will be at most a few percent due to the fact that you do not have to push the air out of the barrel ahead of the bullet.  Bullet velocity, and therefore terminal effects, will not decrease with range however and muzzle drop will ~1/6th due to the lower gravity.

Damn. Embarassing. Oh well.
 
No one's brought this up, but the US actually studied firing a nuke at the "terminator" (the line between the drak and light sides of the moon) as a massive PR stunt and display of force.
 
 
 
Make of that what you will.
 
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Godofgamblers       11/5/2009 9:39:33 PM
For those who have a particular interest in this subject, i dug up an old thread that deals with many of the same issues:
 
 
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Hamilcar       11/5/2009 10:46:43 PM


I'm not sure about guns, Parm, don't they require oxygen? I suppose you could make catridges with oxygen in them but then again, wouldn't the force of the shot fling you off the moon? I'm not sure though because I have seen films where they are shooting underwater..... But that's impossible too, right?


I remember a bond film (Moonraker?) Where the US was prepared for such a contingency and had units of space marines! I wonder if there is actually such a contingency plan....
Binary powders exist with oxidizer. It would be like solid rocket motor fuel/oxidizer mixes. All, you need is the comhusted gas for the bullet. Such propellant as we make for underwater use as in bang sticks we use (shotgun shells) to defeat sharks is an example.  
 
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