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Subject: Greatest military strategic victory of the 21st century goes to the Talebans
Le Zookeeper    10/12/2009 1:01:29 AM
8 yrs on, Omar returns to haunt US Scott Shane, NYT News Service 12 October 2009, 02:36am IST Print Email Discuss Bookmark/Share Save Comment Text Size: | WASHINGTON: In late 2001, Mullah Muhammad Omar?s prospects seemed utterly bleak. The ill-educated, one-eyed leader of the Taliban had fled on a motorbike after his fighters were swiftly routed by the Americans invading Afghanistan. Eight years later, Mullah Omar leads an insurgency that has gained steady ground in much of Afghanistan against the much better equipped American and Nato forces. ?This is an amazing story,? said Bruce Riedel, an ex-CIA officer who coordinated the Obama administration?s review of Afghan policy in the spring. ?He?s a semiliterate individual who has met with no more than a handful of non-Muslims in his entire life. And he?s staged one of the most remarkable military comebacks in modern history.? Mullah Omar heads the Taliban?s Rahbari Shura, or leadership council, often called the Quetta Shura since it relocated to the Pakistani city in 2002. The shura, consisting of the Taliban commanders, ?operates like the politburo of a communist party,? setting broad strategy, said Yusufzai. Rahimullah Yusufzai, of the News International, a Pakistani newspaper, who interviewed Mullah Omar a dozen times before 2001, called him ?a man of few words.? But his reputed humility, his legend as a ferocious fighter against Soviet invaders in the 1980s, and his success in ending the lawlessness and bloody warlords? feuds of the early 1990s cemented his power. ?His followers adore him, believe in him and are willing to die for him,? Yusufzai said. Mullah Omar ?remains an inspiration, sending out letters and audiotapes to his commanders and fighters,? he said. A recent assessment by Gen Stanley McChrystal, the top US commander in Afghanistan, identified the Taliban as the most important part of the insurgents, who currently have the initiative? and ?the overall situation is deteriorating.? link (my comment)In the red corner the Talebans, in the blue corner nearly half of the civilized world. The mujahadeen clearly remains the greatest military force of all time. The curse stands!! Empires come to die in Afghanistan.
 
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Le Zookeeper    You amaze me gf   11/13/2009 4:28:48 AM
You have been having a discussion with a fire hydrant for the last 4 years?? Seeking attention? PLease I am just exchanging views. There are plenty of posters who post more than me. Besides it would help if u stuck to subject matter at hand of the threads as attacking posters is usually pointless.
 
So back to square 1. I think I have provided enuff evidence that the Talibans are all set to prevail (and oh Talibans are the mujahadeen not all mujahadeen are talebans though).
 
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Panther    Mr multiple on-line personalities...   11/13/2009 9:53:52 AM
Perhaps u r not following the news. Or even this board, seems the trolls on this board have more common sense than the professionals. Even the AFghan think victory against Taleban is unlikely and compromise is needed.
 
 Oh for f**k sakes,  why in the world are you given any bandwidth here on this board?
 
 
Australia maybe in for the long haul but the Talebans are there FOREVER.
 
 The Taleban (sic) started out as a student movement in Pak, a foreign entity in thought and governance being enforced upon the Afghans as much as they wished it weren't happening too them. The Talib's are not forever, just left unaccountable in the opinion driven world press.
 
 
I am not trolling- ITS FOR REAL. The war is already lost in the minds of NATO alliance, all thats left is for the physical departure and overthrow of any sane government in AFghanistan by Talebans.

I agree, you are not a troll, but a tool! If these opinion pieces is all you can bring to the discussion and presenting them as some inherent truths overlooked by the professionals, then you my friend are a very frightening snapshot of  the western world's attitudes to the very ideas of scholastic excellence, with my emphasis on the severe decline and or the retardation of humanity's ongoing endeavor in progressing an individuals ability in cognitive reasoning?
 
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Jeff_F_F       11/24/2009 6:33:51 AM
The key tipping point for the Taliban wasn't in Kabul, it was in the U.S. last November. Now they smell blood in the water. They know they have hope, so they are pushing their advantage. This resurgence didn't happen before because our resolve was clear. Obama is practically begging to be bullied, so now taliban sympathizers who wouldn't have thrown their lives away before are coming out of the woodwork because they know they have a chance.
 
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Beazz       11/24/2009 9:49:33 PM

You have been having a discussion with a fire hydrant for the last 4 years?? Seeking attention? PLease I am just exchanging views. There are plenty of posters who post more than me. Besides it would help if u stuck to subject matter at hand of the threads as attacking posters is usually pointless.

 

So back to square 1. I think I have provided enuff evidence that the Talibans are all set to prevail (and oh Talibans are the mujahadeen not all mujahadeen are talebans though).


Ahh Zooman, the king of the dirt hole taliban, terrorists synpothizers lol So hows that 3rd world dirt hole of yours working out sport? Oh, what the hell happened to that dollar devaluation and collaspe of the USA back in October? Damn, hope ya didn't pay *your guys* for that splendid bit of info or make any *investments* based on it lol And what grade school did you go to? It's not the TalibanS, but rather just plain ole Taliban!! Or fellow dirt hole dwellers to you. ;-)


See ya Zoo man
 
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Beazz       11/24/2009 9:57:19 PM

The key tipping point for the Taliban wasn't in Kabul, it was in the U.S. last November. Now they smell blood in the water. They know they have hope, so they are pushing their advantage. This resurgence didn't happen before because our resolve was clear. Obama is practically begging to be bullied, so now taliban sympathizers who wouldn't have thrown their lives away before are coming out of the woodwork because they know they have a chance.


Not to mention they also know President Hussein told *his* guy to tell him what he needed and when it came back he needed 40K troops he simply has been sitting on it for 3 months now. Then he ask all the big boys to get together and give him options and low and behold they said send more troops. So whats he do? well sends em back out and tells em to revise their plans and then come back and see him lol Pretty obvious he's waiting for them to come back and tell him we can't win and get the hell out and of course then he will listen to his generals and get out and give big fancy speaches about how he's takin the advice of his generals !! All politicians are liars and pretty worthless, but Hussein has undeniably said the new gold standard of useless worthless lieing POS!!!
 
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mustavaris       11/26/2009 1:44:26 AM

I agree hahaha--- Osama still lives, Omar is back in town, and beyond kabul there is not much control. Soviets said too haahaaa, look what happened, before september 2008 lehman crash u said haha to my theory of impending US collapse. Common sense has left the building, laughing gas?? maybe...but then thats what an enemy luvs an arrogant fool as an enemy...


US collapse, what? Did I miss something? Soviet Union collapsed, US got bruised. And the fact that you say that there is no/very little control beyond Kabul pretty much tells it all. The real warfare is limited to few provinces, Nimruz, Helmand and Kandahar being the most important ones.. and basically we can say that the real  battle has begun because the allied forv´ces have finally went in en masse to establish order and control, and the Pakistanis are finally kicking the arses of Taliban on the other side of the border, so the old retreat tactic does not work.. the rats are cornered and forced to fight.
 
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mustavaris       11/26/2009 1:52:38 AM

The key tipping point for the Taliban wasn't in Kabul, it was in the U.S. last November. Now they smell blood in the water. They know they have hope, so they are pushing their advantage. This resurgence didn't happen before because our resolve was clear. Obama is practically begging to be bullied, so now taliban sympathizers who wouldn't have thrown their lives away before are coming out of the woodwork because they know they have a chance.


You havent followed the news; this already begun earler in 2008 when the coalition troops started  to venture into Taliban heartlands to establish their presence and the Afghani national army became strong enough to start the fight to regain the control from unallied warlods and was strong enough to sent troops into Taliban/Pushton heartlands to really challenge the old order there. Obama´s grand failure which might still be turned into victory, is the lack of resolution and the postponing reinforcement sending - on the other one ahs to remember that during the same time the number of actual combat troops in Afghanistan has significantly increased while the overall troop levels haven´t changed that much. Besides, regardless of the constant whining, most of the European countries are either maintaining or increasing their commitment there.
 
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