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Subject: Hypothetical question - The fall of the United States
Panther    9/8/2009 2:22:31 AM
What would happen if the United States ceased too exist 24 hours from now?
 
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andyf       9/25/2009 1:56:24 AM
john birmingham has written a book with just such a premise..' without warning'
very good, the sequel should be out soon
 
 
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lurker       9/25/2009 3:11:38 AM

Oh c'mon, you guys sound like everything will fly out of control without the USA. I agree there will be a big hole in the global economy due to US consumer market and some things may get stymied in litigation if US banks are involved, but I doubt a brawl among nations will erupt. Our 30,000 troops is not stopping N. Korea from invading S.Korea. More like the N.Koreans have wieghed the capabilities of ROK and feel they can not win decisively. China on Taiwan, in order to mount a successfull amphibious assault you need overwhelming force and numbers. China probably does not want to concentrate all it's forces and be left naked against Russian, Indian, and seperatist forces. More likely as the USA is out of the picture the Taiwanese simply roll over like the Swiss. Overall I doubt the world is just itching for a fight for no reason and the only thing holding them back is the USA. Even Isreal would be fine for awhile since they have current superiority of weapons and military. KFC, McDonalds, Coca Cola would all continue as operations are worldwide. Not much would be lost except maybe Harley-Davidson motorcycles and John Deere tractors. If anything it would cause a disruption in world oil supply as there would be a glut on the market without US consumption. Could have bad effects of lowering price of oil to the point it is no longer cost effective to refine or drill for it, which would then have a knockon effect with chemicals and plastics and excess shipping capacity. But even that scenario could be overcome in time due to estimated increases in demand from China and India.

 

I'm not a cheerleader of this but when our leaders decided offshore our heavy industries we became less relevant. We have effectively regulated ourselves into obscurity. The only thing that makes the USA a relavant power is it's military might , but that can not be sustained if the middle class is decimated.


In the short term it would be an economic catastrophe. China loses its economy overnight, and even worse implications for all because suddenly the dollar is backed by nothing. Forget China, they are screwed royally (short term and maybe long term), the problem would be the South American countries and the Middle East. Chavez and the like getting too big for their britches, and I'd worry more for the other middle eastern governments than Israel itself.  Unless Amhed was immediately sacked or put on a short leash by a quick thinking ruler, I could see Israel dusting Iran. and perhaps others depending on the course of events. As for the people of Palestine...
 
On the subject of economic might vs military might, some would say the unimpeded free trade on the high seas is thanks to a single power's undisputed control of it. Military and economic power are not necessarily seperate as well. I have heard that the United States is less industry and more information services. software and etc.
 
With regards to heavy industries how much of the outsourced necessary materials comes from solid allies?
 
 
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Parmenion       9/25/2009 12:16:18 PM
 
Also what is left of the US? If it sinks into the sea then naval strategy changes overnight, if only the people dissappear then Mexico and Canada divide it up and both become alot stronger and richer.
 
I suppose the US's carbon emissions stopping overnight not to mention emissions reductions in India and CHina from economic crisis might at least slowdown the effects of climate change, which would be a small mercy.
 
Europe will either take over many US roles over time, aided closely by nations like Canada, Japan, South American Nations and Australia, or just focus on it's own immediate needs and therefore focus on relations with Russia and securing oil from the Middle East.
 
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