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Subject: Wow, just wow ... (what happens when Germany bombs the Taliban ...)
Nasty German Idiot     9/7/2009 6:19:13 PM
link Taliban demand air strike inquiry The Taliban have called for a UN and human rights investigation into an air strike in Afghanistan on Friday that killed dozens of people. (...)
 
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Nasty German Idiot       9/7/2009 7:32:47 PM
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SPIEGEL AGAIN  (One doesnt wonder that German Chancellor Adenauer wanted to shut them down as early as the 60th)
 
Afghan Provincial Governor Praises German Army
 
By Ulrike Demmer and Shoib Najafizada in Kabul
 

The German army has been inundated with international criticism for ordering an air strike on two hijacked fuel tankers in Afghanistan. But the governor of Kunduz province where the attack happened has now praised the German forces. "They made the right decision at the right time," Mohammed Omar told SPIEGEL.

The governor of the northern Afghan province of Kunduz, Mohammed Omar, praised the German army on Monday for ordering an air strike on two hijacked fuel tankers last Friday despite strong international criticism... of the attack which is believed to have killed civilians as well as Taliban fighters.

Omar told SPIEGEL that the German commander who ordered the strike, Colonel Georg Klein, "made the right decision at the right time and acted in a very level-headed way."
German soldiers had always been criticized in the past for not taking robust enough action, he said. "They either flee back to their camp or they sit around crying," said Omar. The population had gotten the impression that the Germans were working together with the Taliban, he added. Now a gang of criminals had been caught in the act, he said.
 
Omar visited the German military base in Kunduz on Monday. He said he didn't know how many civilians were killed in the air strike. "But the Germans have the support of the population. We didn't receive any of the complaints one usually gets in cases where civilians are killed."

Eyewitnesses said there were 60 armed Taliban on the scene along with 15 to 20 other people. "But at half past two at night, no normal civilians would dare to go out in this area, which is more than four kilometers from the nearest village," said Omar.

Anyone in the vicinity of the fuel tankers must have been criminal or a supporter of the Taliban, he said. The US criticism of the attack appeared to be a gut reaction, he added. "The Americans probably didn't eat well and had bad dreams."

Disputed Casualty Figures

It remains unclear how many people were killed in the strike. The German army said a total of 56 Taliban insurgents were killed but there is no "consolidated information" about civilian casualties, German Defense Ministry spokesman Thomas Raabe said on Monday.

The Washington Post reported on Sunday that a NATO fact-finding team estimated that 125 people were killed, at least two dozen of whom were not insurgents.

Some eyewitnesses reported seeing more than 100 dead civilians at the site. Ghulam Mahyodin, a man who lives in Char Dara province, said his son had been among a group of people from a nearby village trying to siphon oil from the tankers. He said the Taliban had already left the area. "My son burned to death," said Mahyodin. "I expect the government to conduct a serious investigation."

One villager told SPIEGEL ONLINE by telephone that she had heard noises coming from the river at around two o'clock in the morning. Her husband and son had gone there to see what was going on. "They weren't Taliban, they just wanted to know what was going on," she said.
 
 

Germany's Defence Minister Franz Josef Jung after meeting German ISAF soldiers last year: German involvement in an airstrike in Afghanistan has intensified political debate ahead of Germany's federal elections on Sept. 27. "The air strike was absolutely necessary," Jung said in a newspaper interview published on Sunday. He admitted on Monday that civilians may have been among the causualties but insisted that Taliban had made up "the predominant share" of victims.
German Colonel Georg Klein, who ordered the airstrike, is pictured at the German base in Kunduz, Afghanistan on Sunday, Sept. 6, 2009. Friday's attack was carried out by US fighter jets but ordered by the German military command in Kunduz. There has been international condemnation of Germany's decision to request an air strike.
 
 
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Nasty German Idiot       9/8/2009 12:02:15 AM
Not to cause any translation troubles, I took it for you ...  ^^
vernichten...
to kill...
to damn...
to blast...
to crush...
to quash...
to wreck...
to defeat...
to blight...
to destroy...
to consume...
to demolish...
to blot out...
to break up...
to kill off...
to wipe out...
to annihilate...
to obliterate...
to exterminate...
to rout [fig.: destroy]
 
They just fucked up completely ...   calling the UN is the lowest form of contact to any German Military ... ^^   They now will be treated  like dogs ...
 
Even Chancellor Merkel  (known for her absence in the German elections) is now forced to call them enemies of the German People ... 
 
 
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PS: "German Nasty Idiot" as a poster on this forum:  Yeah it feels differend to be on the recieving end of critics ...  and really I feel now how my own critics of American airstrikes feel now.  However, I have to say investigations are still necessary.   I and you can believe me wrote a letter to the German Govenment asking for the E-mail adress of the German Commander in Chief.   I will post the adress here if anybody is intersted in writing the guy his comments.  (PS:  I know that at least the German Parliament will deal with your statement, even if you are NOT a German citizen !!!) 
 
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Nasty German Idiot       9/8/2009 12:07:31 AM
PS:  It has yet been difficult to get the direct Email to the Oberst, but I will get it,  dont worry.  Just a search going through the ranks - problem is that the world media is trying the same.
 
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smitty237    Aw nuts.   9/8/2009 12:34:15 AM
In simple language, what you Germans are going through in the International media is complete and utter bullshit.  The Taliban hijacked those tankers full of petrol and were going to use it to further their agenda and/or finance their activities in the region.  Destroying those tankers made perfect sense in a military context because that stolen gas was going to be used to destabilise the region and possibly kill Coalition troops.  Hell, even the politicians in the region have stated that the only folks that would have been around the tanker at that time and place where either involved in the hijacking of the tankers or were complicit in it by trying to acquire fuel from them.  I'll trade a hundred dead Taliban and their collaborators for one German soldier killed by a molotov cocktail filled with the gas from that tanker. 
 
In this conflict the difference between a dead militant and a dead civilian is the distance between the body and the AK-47.  Civilians who harbor and support terrorists are no better than the terrorists themselves, and whenever they find themselves in the line of fire they should be treated as collaborators, not innocent civilians. 
 
Once again, the Europeans need to man up and grow up when it comes to terrorism.  The Muslim terrorists make no distinction between combatants and civilians when it comes to planning attacks, and the European obsession with making sure not a single "civilian" drop of blood is shed is crippling our fight against terrorism.  9/11 may have been an attack against the United States, but the war on Islamic Terrorism is a conflict that is as much a European fight as it is ours.  The Islamists do not view the world the same way we do, and we need to quit worrying about that and get to the business of killing the people that want to kill us.  It is better to kill them there than for them to start killing us in New York (again), London (again), Paris (again), Vienna (again), Madrid (again), Moscow (again), Berlin (again), et cetera..........
 
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Angry       9/8/2009 3:46:12 AM
I'm with you there Smitty.
 
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Nasty German Idiot       9/8/2009 8:41:01 AM
When the German Army arrived at the scene to investigate, they were greeted with loud applause by the Afghans there, who proudly raised their weapons in the Air.  The local village chief personally thanked the soldiers. 
I dont need to know much more ...  the German soldiers even got money presents by Afghans !!  
 
sorry the article is only in German yet:
 
[XXX]ttp://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,647593,00.html
 
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