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Subject: Impact on US military deployment capabilities after US dollar collapse
Le Zookeeper    8/3/2009 3:37:37 AM
WHat if the rumors of an October devaluation of US dollar come true?
How will it affect the combat ability of US military as far as global capabilities go.. I am not an expert here, but besides nuclear crafts everything will be a major expense, perhaps F-22s would be better of sold!!! I bet nobody knows.
 
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WarNerd       8/3/2009 4:30:28 AM
What are the rumors of an October devaluation of US dollar?  We need details in order to evaluate scenarios.
 
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Le Zookeeper    Here is the link and more info in the USA board   8/3/2009 4:34:50 AM

What are the rumors of an October devaluation of US dollar?  We need details in order to evaluate scenarios.



www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/willie/2009/0729.html
 
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Le Zookeeper    There is only one way for US to stay #1   8/3/2009 4:37:08 AM
Military action against countries that do not buy US bonds. Yes the US military could overthrow Obama etc and take over the country and start wars against Germany ( achief anti- US instigator ), Saudi Arabia, SOuth Korea, Japan. Chiana ad Russia are tough since nuclear retaliation possible.
 
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Alexis       8/6/2009 8:51:21 AM
"Military action against countries that do not buy US bonds"
 
 
Absurd
 
- How would the ultimatum be framed? "Buy our bonds, or else"?
- And what if those countries have not enough money to buy any bonds? Have you remarked that trade surpluses are collapsing the world over, while most countries run much increased deficits?
- Please cite one example of war in history which was fought for such a goal!
 
 
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WarNerd       8/7/2009 6:25:30 AM

Military action against countries that do not buy US bonds. Yes the US military could overthrow Obama etc and take over the country and start wars against Germany ( achief anti- US instigator ), Saudi Arabia, SOuth Korea, Japan. Chiana ad Russia are tough since nuclear retaliation possible.

Please, our military leaders are not stupid enough to take over to solve a temporary political problem.
 
Simply put, if the October devaluation takes place the current members of Congress are toast.  As the 'Town Hall meetings' have shown, the public is angry and primed for a revolt at the polls.  Most sitting members would probably lose in the primaries to candidates that will repudiate them and promise their prosecution if elected in order to placate the mob.
 
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Le Zookeeper    Warnerd remember Al Haig- I am in charge now!!- & oh Donald Rumsfeld- c'est possible!!   8/12/2009 2:20:41 AM



Military action against countries that do not buy US bonds. Yes the US military could overthrow Obama etc and take over the country and start wars against Germany ( achief anti- US instigator ), Saudi Arabia, SOuth Korea, Japan. Chiana ad Russia are tough since nuclear retaliation possible.




Please, our military leaders are not stupid enough to take over to solve a temporary political problem.

 

Simply put, if the October devaluation takes place the current members of Congress are toast.  As the 'Town Hall meetings' have shown, the public is angry and primed for a revolt at the polls.  Most sitting members would probably lose in the primaries to candidates that will repudiate them and promise their prosecution if elected in order to placate the mob.



 
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Beazz       8/14/2009 8:53:01 PM
Le Zookeeper    Warnerd remember Al Haig- I am in charge now!!- & oh Donald Rumsfeld- c'est possible!!   8/12/2009 2:20:41 AM
 
And where are they now? You honest to God have no clue how America works do you? Before you see US troops roaming the streets of America, it's gonna take a hell of a lot more then some banks going broke and some rough financial times. Unlike some other nations, our military understands their role in this nation and more then anyone, they respect what the US constitution stands for. They have been fighting and dieing to preserve it for over 2 centurys now dude. The honor, respect and sacrifices they make every single day to preserve it is one of the things that makes this nation the great nation it is. It's nice they are the most mighty military to ever set foot on planet earth, but that is NOT what makes us OR them great Zoo.
 
The fact they are so mighty and I am not even the least bit concerned with, or for that matter, have ever even thought about them taking over this nation until reaDING your usual nonsense pretty much says it all.
 
Beazz
 
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Le Zookeeper    Ok it was an exaggeration   8/14/2009 10:50:05 PM
But homeland security and FBI etc are preparing USA for a military rule scenario under FEMA as off today. Actually it wouldn't be surprising at all given the economic realities and all the militias(read any msm reports this month for growth of militia) that are popping up. If the economy falters further with all the gun sales etc you will see the US military deployed and a bunch of people in military camps as suspected militia or other radical individuals. It is highly optimistic of you to think that in the near future the global economy cannot crash severely with severe implications of social breakdown. I would suggest you go to youtube abd search Celente for like minded theories, as my posts are largely from reading and viewing other blogs, I don't just pull theories out thin air, I do offer "what if" or "maybe" scenarios, and its obvious they are hypothetical.
 
1) Here is hypothetical military takeover scenario- US economy collapses, Obama gets assassinated or worse an assault by militia groups in Washington DC taking out US leadership, several towns in the South controlled by militia with heavy gunpower, general social unrest and police cannot handle or even get gas for their cars- who you gonna call -ghostbusters?
 
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Le Zookeeper    Beazz   8/14/2009 11:45:47 PM
And where are they now? You honest to God have no clue how America works do you?
 
I have more than a clue how America works, what really is a weak point is what happens when America does not work(who reaaly knows). In its short history AMerica has 2 very significant times when things did not work- Civil war (and oh the military was roaming the streets) Great Depression (no military here), and oh Vietnam war protests- I clearly wasn't living in the US then or have a detailed knowledge of those times, but again there was no important if any military involvement in the streets.
 
1 out 3 times when things "did not work" military was in the streets.
 
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Beazz       8/15/2009 10:27:42 AM
Le Zookeeper    Ok it was an exaggeration   8/14/2009 10:50:05 PM
But homeland security and FBI etc are preparing USA for a military rule scenario under FEMA as off today.
 
LOL.. ok.. You really are what they call a clueless nut aren't you? H1N1 virus has the entire world concerned with the possibility of how severe it could be when flu season actually hits. What they are doing are taking prudent action in order to be prepared in case the worst case scenario happened and millions of people starting dieing you fool. Maybe your mighty France should sit up and pay attention and be PREPARED, because if it does happen via the worst case scenario, we ain't coming to save you this time.
 
 Actually it wouldn't be surprising at all given the economic realities and all the militias(read any msm reports this month for growth of militia) that are popping up.
 
Again, the nonsense you are talking about is prudent preparation on the part of the government in reference to H1N1 and has nothing to do with the econonmy goofball. That's one reason we are so great. We like to be prepared. Maybe France should try it. Maybe then you wouldn't be know as *surrender monkeys*?
 
 If the economy falters further with all the gun sales etc you will see the US military deployed and a bunch of people in military camps as suspected militia or other radical individuals.
 
Gawddd.. Again you show your ignorance on the USA. We love our guns. That is also why any foreign power that may try and invade, if they somehow got by our military, would find themselves wishing they had left well enough alone. No, we are not armed with persoall tanks and RPGs. But as far as guns go, we are the most armed nation on the planet and we know how to use them and hit what we shoot at, and that's not going to change. Regardless of what that clown Obama wishes.
 
 It is highly optimistic of you to think that in the near future the global economy cannot crash severely with severe implications of social breakdown.
 
America will be the last nation on earth to have a social breakdown fool. France will have long since degenerated into chaos long before that happens here. We can actually get by without the government giving us everything. Unlike you French clowns.
 
 I would suggest you go to youtube abd search Celente for like minded theories, as my posts are largely from reading and viewing other blogs, I don't just pull theories out thin air, I do offer "what if" or "maybe" scenarios, and its obvious they are hypothetical.
 
LOL.. Yea, that's what I will do. Go to you-tube to learn the fate of the world lol You din't quiet name it right. You call them *theories*. The correct name is *conspiracy therories* and those who subscriobe to them are for the most part are better known as *NUTS* I know where you fall now Mr You-Tube lol BTW, I have saw all theses conspiracy theories and instead of getting mad and worried, I actually could not stop myself from laughing. Not to mention you call tell most of the ppl responding to them are teen agers and now I know, French lol No wonder I got such a chuckle out of them.
 
 
 
1) Here is hypothetical military takeover scenario- US economy collapses, already happened (great depression and we survived) Obama gets assassinated already happened several times, Lincoln, Garfield, McKinley & Kennedy and we survived or worse an assault by militia groups in Washington DC taking out US leadership, will never happen as our leadership is NEVER all together. Even for the State of The Union address each year, which has more together then even at any other time, one member of the cabinet is selected in secret to not attend and is in a secret location with the codes to the nukes and all so in the event of what you describe the governemt will still function. several towns in the South controlled by militia with heavy gunpower, general social unrest and police cannot handle or even get gas for their cars- who you gonna call -ghostbusters?
 
The same person we will call just as soon as the Martians get here. Gawddddd... Is everyone in France an idiot like you? BTW, we have a littel thing here called the SPR ( strategic petroleum reserve) that has ~750 BILLION barrels of oil in it so they will get gas. Hows that French reserve working out btw????
 
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Beazz       8/15/2009 10:41:47 AM
Le Zookeeper    Beazz   8/14/2009 11:45:47 PM
And where are they now? You honest to God have no clue how America works do you?
 
I have more than a clue how America works, what really is a weak point is what happens when America does not work(who reaaly knows). In its short history AMerica has 2 very significant times when things did not work- Civil war (and oh the military was roaming the streets) Great Depression (no military here), and oh Vietnam war protests- I clearly wasn't living in the US then or have a detailed knowledge of those times, but again there was no important if any military involvement in the streets.
 
1 out 3 times when things "did not work" military was in the streets.
 
You call the civil war which killed more Americans then any time in US history a simple *did not work*????  Even then after the war it was recognized the military was now doing things they were not supposed to be doing and were eventually taken off the streets because its against the US constitution. Your shining example of failure is actually a shining example of the US constitution working as it was designed to clown. Not many nations in history could have the courage to fight a war like that and then the ability/courage when it was over to remove the military and put them back in their garisons where they came from. Another absolute glorious example of the greatness of America and the US military!!!
 
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Alexis       8/15/2009 6:50:27 PM
Beazz: "BTW, we have a littel thing here called the SPR ( strategic petroleum reserve) that has ~750 BILLION barrels of oil in it so they will get gas."
 
 
Actually, link style="color: #000000"> "As of July 27, 2009, the current inventory was 724 million barrels (115,100,000 m3). This equates to 34 days of oil at current daily US consumption levels of 21 million barrels a day. "
 
These were millions, not billions.
 
Regarding European countries, according to EU rules they maintain oil reserves for a minimum of 90 days of consumption.
 
 
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Beazz       8/15/2009 8:59:31 PM
Alexis       8/15/2009 6:50:27 PM
Beazz: "BTW, we have a littel thing here called the SPR ( strategic petroleum reserve) that has ~750 BILLION barrels of oil in it so they will get gas."
 
 
Actually, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Petroleum_Reservelink link style="color: #000000"> "As of July 27, 2009, the current inventory was 724 million barrels (115,100,000 m3). This equates to 34 days of oil at current daily US consumption levels of 21 million barrels a day. "
 
These were millions, not billions.
 
Regarding European countries, according to EU rules they maintain oil reserves for a minimum of 90 days of consumption.
You're right. I misprinted it as billion versus million. However, your analysis is wrong. The US only IMPORTS ~12.2 million barrels a day. We produce the rest and matter of fact are the worlds 3rd largest oil producer behind only Saudi Arabia and Russia. Only 1.3 million barrels a day behind Russia so not to far from number 2 which would no doubt be achieved in a emergency and only 2.5 million barrels a day behind SA for that matter.  So thats roughly 60 days of use at the 100% level which in the event of a complete 100% cuttoff of foreign oil would be unrealistic. Certainly personal use consumption would drop noticeably. We have more coal then all the oil in the mid east and enough of our own natural gas to supply this country for a couple centurys and in the event of a 100% cut in imported oil they would certainly be brought more to the forefront which would lessen the blow and in the long run be the best thing ever happened for us. Also the SPR is simply the governement owned reserve and is the single largest of this type in the world. The oil storage facilitys out in either Oklahoma or Texas, I forget where it is, where they keep millions of barrels of oil for current consumption is at all time highs and a few months ago were actually full to the brim. In short, we could go for many many months at almost current levels of use and with reductions in consumption at the personal level, as there would be, we could go on indefintiely. The infrastructure for coal use is already here and to a lesser degree so is the natural gas one. Coal has been cut back because of the tree huggers but in a emergency it could be brougth back up to speed quickly and could even force us to bring the natural gas infrastructure online sooner which would benefit us greatly. We have all we need right here so all we would need to do is buy a little time and life would go on without a whole lot of suffering. Thats not even counting the ~trillion barrels in shell oil the tree huggers again keep us from going after. But agin, in a emergency such as 100% cutoff from imports you can bet it would be to bad so sad tree huggers.
 
The EUs 90 day requirement is bassed on the previous years oil * imports* and would be divided up among the member nations based on their previous years oil imports. So European nations are certainly not going to have equal amounts of oil available. France for instance has a meager 65-70 million barrels in its SPR. It produces in country a total of a meager 24,000  barrels of oil AND natural gas a day. So IOW, if they were cut off 100% from imports they are hosed if that meager 65 mil barrels gets used up. Cars and trucks in France will come to a screaching hault in very short order. They have a lot of nuke plants so they can at least most of them maybe sit in their homes and stay warm until they all starve I guess.
 
In short, the USA is not in that bad of shape at all if we lose 100% of our oil imports forever. Within 5 years time we would have more oil and natural gas online then the rest of the world combined and it would all be ours!!
 
Beazz
 
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Le Zookeeper    Beazz   8/16/2009 3:43:29 AM
Some clarifications- i have no connection to France,the handle is just that a handle. Actually I am a national of USA oh really passport et al.. And oh this depression militias etc are pretty much mainstream news, i hate to argue a speculative issue as past conduct or behaviour or performance is not indicative of the future. Your arguments are legitimate but do not guarantee similar conduct in the future.
 
If ur theory of how military behaved in the past is a 100%indicator of how they would behave in the future then black people
 need to worry about possible slavery or segregation since that was the American way a few decades ago. Past performance is no guarantee of  future performance.
 
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Le Zookeeper    Beazz   8/16/2009 3:49:15 AM
And plz i am not a conspiracy theorist nut, 9/11 happened and it was not an inside job, i do not believe in area 51. Militias and lone nutjobs with guns are an ever increasing threat in the streets, as compared to great dep 1 America is less able to cope due to new social conditions, lets wait and see its only 90 days more.
 
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