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Subject: Army suffers from 'toxic leadership'
gf0012-aust    7/1/2009 4:39:31 AM
*Army suffers from 'toxic leadership', warns major* * Press Association * The Guardian link Wednesday 1 July 2009 The army has failed to learn the lessons of fighting counter-insurgency campaigns in Iraq link and Afghanistan link a former officer said today. In a critical article, Major Patrick Little, who left last year after 16 years service, said the army was guilty of "hubris" believing it had little to learn from the experience of other countries' forces. Writing in the journal of the Royal United Services Institute, he said while "dysfunctional" senior commanders were able to carry on with their careers regardless, talented junior and middle-ranking officers were leaving disillusioned because their views and concerns were ignored. He highlighted the problem of "toxic leadership" in which "destructive" styles of command were tolerated because they produced immediate results, despite the long term harm they caused. "Almost every officer serving or retired has examples of seriously 'toxic' commanders, who have bred deeply dysfunctional command climates, and yet have seen their careers sail on undisturbed," he said. "Any serving middle ranking officer will know of commanders at sub-unit level and below who have been relieved of command, or 'sort toured'. But few will have evidence of the same process applying at senior officer level today. "Toxicity in command structures, brought about by commanders ill-suited for their roles, is something the army can no longer afford." At the same time, Little, said that there was an "intolerance of dissent" and an unwillingness to accept criticism of established orthodoxy. He contrasted the UK's experience with the US which, he said, had undergone a "remarkable transformation" since 2005 as the result of a "no holds barred" appraisal of its performance in Iraq. He said the army needed to turn a "critical mirror" on itself in order to "begin the journey, through a recognition of the UK military link hubris over the last 10 years, to recover the ground lost with other professional armies". He said, the US army had seen real change as a result of its willingness to accept and respond to criticism from within the ranks of its own officer corps. In Britian Little said that talented officers were simply leaving the service for civilian life.
 
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neutralizer       7/7/2009 6:52:19 AM
Still more abuse, (sighs and laughs).
 
I have offered provocative notions that don't fit inside some folks comfort zones (or perhaps illusions/delusions).  When I offer facts they are usually correct, although sometimes guys who've embroidered the truth or can't reconcile them with their perception of reality get agitato.  As I pointed out underinformed claims about Aust participation in Claret ops in Borneo and trying to claim some direct links to current ops in AFG are laughable, or tosh as I would call it.  As I keep saying Borneo was not COIN as the main game and Claret was the height on non-COIN. 
 
Still its good to see there's some fighting spirit in Canberra acting in the fine tradition of when pinned into a corner come out arms swinging and avoiding the subject being addressed. 
 
 
 
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Nichevo       9/22/2009 9:55:06 PM

What job was that then? Grocery deliveries?

 

We are still waiting for you to tell us all EXACTLY what your so-called professional qualifications are.


Until I see a convincing answer, I will consider you as a superb Googler. And that's all. You have acquired zero credibility with me as a result of recent discussions on this site.

 

Right, and who the fark are you then?  What are your quals beyond a mildly cool nick? I gather you were in the Royal Army once and that's why you talk?  You're effing Simon Cowell as far as I'm concerned.  Nothing but abuse out of you, or "p!ss-taking" as you call it when you're called on it.
 
Needless to say I'd like to know more about Herald's resume as well but as a Scot once put it, Do you expect a Highland gentleman to produce his manuscripts under compulsion?  So I wouldn't expect him to answer you.
 
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Heorot       9/24/2009 4:56:28 PM




What job was that then? Grocery deliveries?



 



We are still waiting for you to tell us all EXACTLY what your so-called professional qualifications are.






Until I see a convincing answer, I will consider you as a superb Googler. And that's all. You have acquired zero credibility with me as a result of recent discussions on this site.



 





Right, and who the fark are you then?  What are your quals beyond a mildly cool nick? I gather you were in the Royal Army once and that's why you talk?  You're effing Simon Cowell as far as I'm concerned.  Nothing but abuse out of you, or "p!ss-taking" as you call it when you're called on it.

 

Needless to say I'd like to know more about Herald's resume as well but as a Scot once put it, Do you expect a Highland gentleman to produce his manuscripts under compulsion?  So I wouldn't expect him to answer you.

I've given my background several times before in the last 5 or 6 years but I will repeat it now for you.

I was trained in Systems Analysis in 1980 and I worked at it in regular employment, building  up my expertise until 1990. From 1990, I was a freelance Systems Analyst until I retired from the field in 2003. You don?t get to freelance continuously for 13 years without being considered pretty good.

 

I have had an interest in the military for the last 50 years, mainly in military history. I bitch about his poor analysis skill because I can see the holes in it the size of the Grand Canyon. For me, it is easy to see when some one is full of it; and Herald certainly qualifies.

 
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Heorot       9/24/2009 6:37:51 PM




What job was that then? Grocery deliveries?



 



We are still waiting for you to tell us all EXACTLY what your so-called professional qualifications are.






Until I see a convincing answer, I will consider you as a superb Googler. And that's all. You have acquired zero credibility with me as a result of recent discussions on this site.



 





Right, and who the fark are you then?  What are your quals beyond a mildly cool nick? I gather you were in the Royal Army once and that's why you talk?  You're effing Simon Cowell as far as I'm concerned.  Nothing but abuse out of you, or "p!ss-taking" as you call it when you're called on it.

 

Needless to say I'd like to know more about Herald's resume as well but as a Scot once put it, Do you expect a Highland gentleman to produce his manuscripts under compulsion?  So I wouldn't expect him to answer you.

I've given my background several times before in the last 5 or 6 years but I will repeat it now for you.

I was trained in Systems Analysis in 1980 and I worked at it in regular employment, building  up my expertise until 1990. From 1990, I was a freelance Systems Analyst until I retired from the field in 2003. You don?t get to freelance continuously for 13 years without being considered pretty good.

 

I have had an interest in the military for the last 50 years, mainly in military history. I bitch about his poor analysis skill because I can see the holes in it the size of the Grand Canyon. For me, it is easy to see when some one is full of it; and Herald certainly qualifies.

 
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Parmenion       9/26/2009 10:02:01 AM










What job was that then? Grocery deliveries?







 







We are still waiting for you to tell us all EXACTLY what your so-called professional qualifications are.














Until I see a convincing answer, I will consider you as a superb Googler. And that's all. You have acquired zero credibility with me as a result of recent discussions on this site.







 













Right, and who the fark are you then?  What are your quals beyond a mildly cool nick? I gather you were in the Royal Army once and that's why you talk?  You're effing Simon Cowell as far as I'm concerned.  Nothing but abuse out of you, or "p!ss-taking" as you call it when you're called on it.



 



Needless to say I'd like to know more about Herald's resume as well but as a Scot once put it, Do you expect a Highland gentleman to produce his manuscripts under compulsion?  So I wouldn't expect him to answer you.





I've given my background several times before in the last 5 or 6 years but I will repeat it now for you.



I was trained in Systems Analysis in 1980 and I worked at it in regular employment, building  up my expertise until 1990. From 1990, I was a freelance Systems Analyst until I retired from the field in 2003. You don?t get to freelance continuously for 13 years without being considered pretty good.


 


I have had an interest in the military for the last 50 years, mainly in military history. I bitch about his poor analysis skill because I can see the holes in it the size of the Grand Canyon. For me, it is easy to see when some one is full of it; and Herald certainly qualifies.



Very bright people often are pretty single-minded, and unable to see the points of others once one particular facet has set them off.
 
As for Herald's experience I do not know for sure- but reading through his posts over the last year leads me to the suspicion that he works at or may have worked at Raytheon. He's definitely had some experience with some kind of US defense contractor- no one hates Lockheed Martin with such a passion otherwise.
 
The thing we do know for sure is that he is just about the most knowledgable poster on the forum in nearly all tech and naval history, and the equal of others in alot of other areas. He's allowed to be snappy and behave like an ass occasionally- he can back it up with talent. We have to play by a different set of rules, or be prepared for the fight of our lives, which I've only seen about two people actually win.
 
Don't be arrogant, or French*, and you'll find Herald the best poster on this site to ask for advice etc.
 
*I have tried twice to get FS and Herald to find some common ground and have given up. If anyone can manage it I'll cook them dinner.
 
Of course you may actually be happier just baiting him into arguments and lowering the tone of the forum, in which case this post isn't going to help you.
 
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Godofgamblers       9/27/2009 7:04:58 AM
herald's posts contain more than just googled facts; above the technical issues they contain opinions and analysis: something you cannot simply cut and paste from a website, as if this issue was actually in doubt.
 
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