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Subject: What Can We Do To Fix The US Army?
Softwar    2/13/2009 3:50:26 PM
Besides spares and maint. - Let's go with aviation equipment for starters - the Army needs a replacement for the remaining UH-1 choppers, a new light observation chopper to replace aging Kiowas, upgrades to the AH-64 force, and a new series of heavy lift choppers (or more Chinooks) to maintain air mobile levels. Now armor - we need to upgrade the Stryker and add more to replace low armored HUMVEEs in front line service. Ground transport - better armored trucks seem to be in order here. Artillery - can someone please finallly pick a SP 155 platform that makes sense?? Infantry - we have the M-4 procurement to complete and Geeezzz Louise... replace the 9 MM pistol with the 1911. Buy more 50 cals. Improve local intell - small UAVs, trained translators and handlers instead of tearing around town trying to be nasty. ID systems for both captured enemy as well as friendly forces. Training and logistical support - develop and deploy small unit tactics - these were very ineffective especially in urban environments. A NTC for small unit and urban warfare is in order here. Make use of combat experience vets instead of simply letting them wander off. We did that in WII and Korea - it works and saves lives. Instead, we muster them out after being assured they will not go bezerk and pop a cap in someone. Leadership!!! The patrol and plaster tactics used during OIF took too many casualties and left guys with their butts hanging out without proper communications, air support or control. Officers were slow to utilize unmanned/robot systems - instead they opted to bust down doors with the old bad-ass entry and shoot 'em up. Top brass are more interested in micro managing unit activity than trying to supply them with the tools and turning them loose.
 
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DarthAmerica       2/18/2009 7:34:39 PM

Frankly the US already showed an excellent ability to destroy an enemy that attempted to stand toe to toe in open terrain in GW1.  It's the fighting in built up areas and difficult terrain that is most problematic.  It's an enemy platoon in a village or difficult higher ground.



 

 Above is another common Internet myth. The United States Army is in a protracted urban combat environment and has been every day for most of the decade. Yet there is no continuous flow of bodies or any trouble taking objectives. Every environment poses unique challenges to combatants. Urban environments are no different. Just like anywhere else, they require specific training. United States Army has that. Of course the urban environments reduced the engagement ranges and offer more cover and concealment of the enemy. I do not deny that and I do realize there's potential for higher casualties. However, that has not really been our experience. Again, because of the training of our soldiers and the awesome tools at our disposal.

-DA 
 
 
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RockyMTNClimber    1911 ?   2/18/2009 9:15:21 PM
The .45 should be re-introduced and eventually replace the 9mm.<Softwar
 
For a military (police too for that matter), handguns are at best a compromise between having something to bring to the gun fight and having nothing at all. They are defensive weapons by their very nature. Where, I do not think it was rational to replace the 1911 with a Baretta M92, now having done the deed way back in the 1980's it is not worth the time, money, and talents to go back again. There are allot of priorities we can spend those resources on. When it comes to getting performance from any gun, the only relevant factor is whether the subject was hit and after that where the subject was hit.  
 
If I thought a 200lb Viking was about to kick in my door, and had time to arm up with anything I own while calling in backup, I would not meet him at the door with any of my handguns. Given the opportunity, I would meet him with a necked center fire rifle or my Remington 870 12ga. pump stoked with buckshot. 
 
Humbly, the M9 may not be optimal, and certainly isn't my choice, but we have much bigger fish to fry here than going back to the old slab side.
 
Check Six
 
Rocky
 
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flyingarty    back to the OP   2/18/2009 10:55:26 PM
How about standardizing on ONE attack helicopter platform? That the Army and Marines can not standarize is stupid! No one has yet been able to tell me why the Marines cant have Apache's.
 
For the SPA field gun, buy it from the Germans : the Pzh 2000 Panzerhaubitze Self-propelled Howitzer. This thing works.Yeah,yeah, I know its heavy, but its cheaper than developing NLOS!
 
These are 2 solutions that would be cheaper and still an upgrade. Congress seems to want to cut every thing military in spending.
 
Flyingarty
 
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strat-T21C       2/18/2009 11:10:41 PM

How about standardizing on ONE attack helicopter platform? That the Army and Marines can not standarize is stupid! No one has yet been able to tell me why the Marines cant have Apache's.

 

For the SPA field gun, buy it from the Germans : the Pzh 2000 Panzerhaubitze Self-propelled Howitzer. This thing works.Yeah,yeah, I know its heavy, but its cheaper than developing NLOS!

 

These are 2 solutions that would be cheaper and still an upgrade. Congress seems to want to cut every thing military in spending.

 

Flyingarty


The Pzh 2000 is definitly the preimier SP Arty system in the world today. Heavy and big as mentioned, but as a SP, your not doing armd recce. Increadible rate of fire and very accurate, that and with the Excalibre round you can't lose a gun fight.
 
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verong    flyingarty   2/18/2009 11:57:42 PM

How about standardizing on ONE attack helicopter platform? That the Army and Marines can not standarize is stupid! No one has yet been able to tell me why the Marines cant have Apache's.

 

For the SPA field gun, buy it from the Germans : the Pzh 2000 Panzerhaubitze Self-propelled Howitzer. This thing works.Yeah,yeah, I know its heavy, but its cheaper than developing NLOS!

 

These are 2 solutions that would be cheaper and still an upgrade. Congress seems to want to cut every thing military in spending.

 

Flyingarty


the USMC and US army used the AH-1 oringinally then the US army went with a next generation attack helo while the USMC settled for a major upgrade to its fleet of AH-1
Sincerely,
 
Keith
 
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HERALD1357       2/19/2009 1:51:20 AM

Confuses his opinion with incontrovertible fact.....

 

Bulldozerkrig was NOT what won our wars, or won them entirely and I don't think it was required in Iraq.  We did not simply bury our opponents in fire and material....and simply burying the Iraqi's wasn't going to end an insurgency.

 

I will say US generalship is always going to be a degree derivative, though everyone's is, because unlike France or Prussia or Russia, we don't have a large military history....


History is not opinion, JFKY. 

When the US Army says in its own publications that its operational art (translation of the Russian term) is ripped off from Tukachevsky, I pay attention. 
 
Herald
 
 
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HERALD1357    Followup......   2/19/2009 2:21:48 AM




Confuses his opinion with incontrovertible fact.....



 



Bulldozerkrig was NOT what won our wars, or won them entirely and I don't think it was required in Iraq.  We did not simply bury our opponents in fire and material....and simply burying the Iraqi's wasn't going to end an insurgency.



 



I will say US generalship is always going to be a degree derivative, though everyone's is, because unlike France or Prussia or Russia, we don't have a large military history....






History is not opinion, JFKY. 




When the US Army says in its own publications that its operational art (translation of the Russian term) is ripped off from Tukachevsky, I pay attention. 

 

Herald


 
Why do we need to rip off others when we've crammed more military experience in 240 years than most EU states have in the last 600?

Do you not believe that we have case studies in modern American warfare that would not serve as the basis for an American doctrine?

Do you not believe that Mahan is as fit to study as Clauswitz?
 
That is DENNIS by the way, not Alfred Thayer.
 
Do you not realize that Pershing and his generals applied UPTON rather than that idiot, Petain, when they launched their Meuse Argonne actions or that they referred to US Civil War experience and the Indian Wars rather than what they saw as the French and British ERRORS or trench warfare?
 
We made a wrong turn when we became derivative interwar.
 
We had our own possible schools of thought on an American style of warfare.
 
 
Shows where OUR thought was headed before WE became side tracked.
 
An American style of warfare was in the works, that did not rely on the French or the British at all. It showed up in WW II in our ARTILLERY. 
 
Note: the emphasis on mechanization a decade before JFC Fuller ever got there?
 
HISTORY, JFKY. FACT JFKY. Not opinion.
 
Herald
 
   

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 
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DarthAmerica       2/19/2009 2:53:54 AM




Confuses his opinion with incontrovertible fact.....



 



Bulldozerkrig was NOT what won our wars, or won them entirely and I don't think it was required in Iraq.  We did not simply bury our opponents in fire and material....and simply burying the Iraqi's wasn't going to end an insurgency.



 



I will say US generalship is always going to be a degree derivative, though everyone's is, because unlike France or Prussia or Russia, we don't have a large military history....






History is not opinion, JFKY. 



Sure it is. That's because it's often interpreted by people who were never then with less than perfect data. In fact, you are doing it right now. Most of this is YOUR INTERPRETATION of history. The events themselves may be fact in the sense that they happened. But significance, meaning ect are all your opinion. 
-DA 

 

 
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HERALD1357    Tell THAT   2/19/2009 3:43:27 AM
to the dead Germans and Japanese killed by US Artillery, Darth.
 
Herald
 
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DarthAmerica       2/19/2009 4:00:59 AM

to the dead Germans and Japanese killed by US Artillery, Darth.

 

Herald


No thanks. They're dead and those conflicts while fascinating to study, are quite a bit different for the ones we are in now. Using those methods, there would be A LOT of dead civilians mixed in with the handful of bad guys. I know that war is hell blah blah blah, Mahan this and bulldozerkeig that but thats just not how it's done in these wars. Those methods would undermine all for which we have worked. Besides, we are using weapons and tactics that are far more effective and equally important precise enough to be suitable for operation among civilians.

-DA 
 
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