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Ehran 3/10/2008 12:49:30 PM

catching a guy like that makes nice headlines but hardly dents the arms trade. it's like dope as long as there is money to be made there will be people lined up to fill his boots.

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Herald12345 Squeezing an information source. 3/10/2008 10:43:47 PM

catching a guy like that makes nice headlines but hardly dents the arms trade. it's like dope as long as there is money to be made there will be people lined up to fill his boots.

Another List 2 posting by a List 2 individual.

This clown has contacts and customers. When, not if, he gives them up, you acquire more data about the arms trade specifically to track and interrupt.

As this bozo took years to build up his network of customers and supplier contacts, his removal threatens ALL of them.

There are not that many black market arms dealers that were as efficient as he was in setting up deals.

THAT is why you are on List 2 . You don't think things completely through, Ehran. Why don't you carry forward consequences of an event when you analyze it at all?

Unable to predict specific outcomes or prognosticate?

Herald

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xylene 3/10/2008 11:39:37 PM

I bet they plan to waterboard him.

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Herald12345 3/11/2008 12:10:39 AM

I bet they plan to waterboard him.

Maybe, or maybe they'll just offer him a deal.

Death is a powerful motivator.

Herald

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Ehran 3/11/2008 12:47:00 PM

herald you catch one cockroach and that leads to some other cockroaches and maybe some of them will cough up even more cockroach names. scotch the lot of them and then stand back and look happy and proud if you like but i am quite certain that just like the drug business you will find that in very short order a new batch of cockroaches have moved in to fill the holes you made.

look at the war on drugs and what happens when even a major cartel is destroyed by law enforcement herald. a month or two down the road there are new guys in place and it's back to business as usual. been a war on drugs for upwards of 40 years now herald and they are better quality, cheaper and more abundant than they were when the war started.

if you want to know what's denting up the arms trade it's the fact the huge stockpiles of eastern bloc weapons are finally depleting though i fully expect the chinese will leap upon any market black or not that opens up for cheap guns.

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Herald12345 Bugspray. 3/11/2008 11:35:29 PM

You are rather pathetic, you know?

Incompetent.

Ciao.

Herald

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Herald12345 Maybe I should spell it out for you? 3/11/2008 11:47:12 PM

You are rather pathetic, you know?

Incompetent.

Ciao.

Herald

From the Wall Street Journal.

From the Wall Street Journal

The FARC Files
By MARY ANASTASIA O'GRADY
March 10, 2008; Page A14

Colombia's precision air strike 10 days ago, on a guerrilla camp across the border in Ecuador, killed rebel leader Raúl Reyes. That was big. But the capture of his computer may turn out to be a far more important development in Colombia's struggle to preserve its democracy.

Reyes was the No. 2 leader of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, which has been at war with the Colombian government for more than four decades. His violent demise is a fitting end to a life devoted to masterminding atrocities against civilians. But the computer records expose new details of the terrorist strategy to bring down the government of Colombian President Álvaro Uribe, including a far greater degree of collaboration between the FARC and four Latin heads of government than had been previously known. In addition to Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez, they are President Rafael Correa of Ecuador, Nicaragua's President Daniel Ortega and Bolivian President Evo Morales.
[The FARC Files]
AP
A face-to-face encounter between Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez and Colombian President Álvaro Uribe at last week's Rio Group Summit.

Mr. Chávez is said to have been visibly distressed when told of the death of Reyes, a man he clearly admired. He also may have realized that he played a role in his hero's death, since it was later reported that the Colombian military had located the camp by intercepting a phone call to Reyes from the Venezuelan president.

Mr. Chávez rapidly ordered 10 battalions to the Colombian border. Should the Colombian military cross into Venezuela in search of FARC, he warned, it would mean war. That may have seemed like an unnecessary act of machismo. But the Colombia military has long claimed that the FARC uses both Ecuador and Venezuela as safe havens. Now it had shown that it wasn't afraid to act on that information.

There is a third explanation for Mr. Chávez's panic when he learned of the strike: He was alarmed about the possibility that his links with Reyes would be exposed. Sure enough, when the Colombian national police retrieved Reyes's body from Ecuador, it also brought back several computers from the camp. Documents on those laptops show that Mr. Chávez and Reyes were not only ideological comrades, but also business partners and political allies in the effort to wrest power from Mr. Uribe.

The tactical discussions found in the documents are hair-raising enough. They show that the FARC busies itself with securing arms and explosives, selling cocaine, and otherwise financing its terrorism operations through crime. In a memo last month, for example, a rebel leader discussed the FARC's efforts to secure 50 kilos of uranium, which it hoped to sell to generate income. In the same note, there is a reference to "a man who supplies me material for the explosive we are preparing, his name is Belisario and he lives in Bogotá . . ."
Though it is far from clear, Colombian national police speculated from this that a dirty bomb could be in the making. An April 2007 letter to the FARC secretariat lays out the terrorists' effort to acquire missiles from Lebanon. When Viktor Bout, allegedly one of the world's most notorious arms traffickers, was arrested in Thailand on Thursday, the Spanish-language press reported that he was located thanks to the Reyes computer files.

The maneuvers of thugs seeking power are no surprise. The more significant revelation is the relationship between the FARC and Mr. Chávez, Mr. Correa, Mr. Morales and Mr. Ortega. All four, it turns out, support FARC violence and treachery against Mr. Uribe.

According to the documents, Mr. Chávez's friendship with the FARC dates back at least as far as 1992, when he was in jail for an attempted coup d'etat in Venezuela and the FARC sent him $150,000. Now he is returning the favor, by financing the terrorist group with perhaps as much as $300 million. But money is the least important of the Chávez gifts. He is also using his presidential credentials on behalf of the FARC.

The FARC puts a lot of effort toward discrediting Mr. Uribe in the court of world opinion. A September letter from a rebel commander to "secretariat comrades" reads: "As to the manifesto, I suggest adding the border policy and making it public by all means possible to see if we can stop all the world from supporting uribismo [the agenda of Mr. Uribe] in the October elections." He then proposes a "clandestine" meeting between one rebel and Mr. Chávez in Caracas to discuss "our political-military project." Mr. Chávez, the rebels say in a later document, suggested that the FARC videotape any Colombian military strikes in the jungle for propaganda purposes.

In January, FARC leader Manuel Marulanda (aka "Sureshot") wrote to Mr. Chávez: "You can imagine the happiness that you have awoken in all the leaders, guerrillas, the Bolivarian Movement of New Colombia [and] the Clandestine Communist Party with the plan you put forth . . . to ask for the analysis and approval of recognizing the FARC as a belligerent [therefore legitimate] force."

The documents also show why it was a good idea for Colombia not to ask Ecuador for permission before moving against the FARC camp -- even though in the past it had done so when tangling with the rebels at the border. A January memo reports on a FARC meeting with the Ecuadorean minister of security, who said that Mr. Correa is "interested in official relations with the FARC" and has decided not to aid Colombia against the rebels. "For [Ecuador] the FARC is an insurgent organization of the people, with social and political proposals that it understands," the memo reads.

It also says Mr. Correa plans to increase commercial and political relations with North Korea, and that he requests that one of the FARC's hostages be released to him next time, so as to "boost his political efforts." A Feb. 28 letter from Reyes summarizes a meeting with an emissary of Mr. Correa: "He explained the proposal of Plan Ecuador, which seeks to counteract the damaging effects of Plan Colombia [the joint U.S.-Colombian effort against terrorism]."

Where do Bolivia and Nicaragua fit into this collaborative effort? An Oct. 4 letter from a rebel to FARC leader Marulanda reports that a Venezuelan minister has agreed that if there is a FARC summit, "Chávez would come with Ortega, Evo and Correa." All three, the letter said, are with Chávez to the death.

Victor Bout, the United States caught in Thailand two days ago. He's singing like a bird.

War on drugs led directly to arms merchant, List 2 member.

Herald

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Ehran 3/12/2008 12:04:29 PM

if you are naive enough to believe his capture will have any but a momentary effect on the international arms trade then by all means enjoy your warm fuzzies.

remember how long it took for other cartels to move in and fill the cali cartel's boots when law enforcement took them down?

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Yimmy 3/12/2008 2:37:59 PM

I wouldn't be at all surprised if the West including the UN and America had enjoyed his services in the past.

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Herald12345 3/12/2008 3:41:50 PM

if you are naive enough to believe his capture will have any but a momentary effect on the international arms trade then by all means enjoy your warm fuzzies.

Look I know you are incompetent: but don't make me slap you down with facts. the decline in the Soviet block arsenals means the PRC bandits and South America have gone into gun running. The trade is also down: because the Interpol clowns in the EU are finally taking the Eastern European pipeline down,

remember how long it took for other cartels to move in and fill the cali cartel's boots when law enforcement took them down?

Asians and Mexicans about 10 years after Pablo Escobar got what he deserved.

List2er; do you even know from where the drugs come now?

Mexico. Plan Mexico has to wait for a decent Mexican government-[Calderon] much as we had to wait for Uribe in Columbia for Plan Columbia .

Source of drugs.

Balloon effect because of International Law. you don't squeeze the balloon so that the trade[air] goes from place to place, you pop it when you get the chance to ci-operate with an allied government.

And as the world's leader/producer/user of cannabis per 100,000 population, Canada and Canadians need not discuss the drug trade at all.

It would be a lot worse if we let cretins, like you, drive global policy

Herald

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Ehran 3/13/2008 12:52:16 PM

so am i to understand herald it's your position that pablo's fall from grace led to a shortage of cocain on american streets for ten years?

all pablo's demise did was change the middle men about some. as long as there is a supply and a demand coupled with high profit margins there will be an endless supply of middlemen killing each other to get into the business. picking off one or another of the middlemen looks good to the press and voters but really doesn't matter because they get replaced so fast.

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Ehran 3/13/2008 12:58:26 PM

gee herald according to your own link cocaine comes from (drum roll) the andean region where it has always come from. as i said the middlemen changed with negligible effects on price/supply/demand.

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Herald12345 If you bothered to read, cretin. 3/13/2008 3:06:34 PM

I said there was something called a balloon effect. You squeeze one place, the market goes elsewhere. You need a pin. The very cites I use, prove this. When you chase the scum out of one spot , they head for where you are not. In order to deal with the problem you have to pin the balloon.

As FARC and the drug pushers are chased out of Columbia, they head for Ecuador and Venezuela, as we see in the news.

You really are clueless; aren't you, barge expert?

Standard List 2 salutation.

Herald

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Ehran 3/14/2008 2:40:25 PM

you do remember being spanked by the sysops for this kind of crap just lately herald?

if you actually think that taking this guy and his network down is going to materially effect the price/availability/demand for slightly used ak's more than a short time then you are pretty naive.

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Herald12345 I hold you in the EXACT esteemn for which you are EXACTLY worth, Ehran. 3/14/2008 2:50:20 PM

Your desperation is apparent.

Can't argue your case on its merits or on the facts?

Herald

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