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Subject: Strategypage Giveaway
Godofgamblers    2/12/2008 11:15:07 PM
I am offering a prize for the best WW2 topic. The topic should be an interesting thread for the ARMED FORCES OF THE WORLD page, it should be on WW2, it can be technical, theoretical, it could evoke an alternate series of events, scenarios, it could focus on one country or many. Topics on Indonesia, however, shall receive no preferential treatment.

The winner will be chosen on a purely arbitrary basis, according to the whims of the judge, GoG.

The prize is one edition of Indonesian Playboy (potentially a collector's item) delivered to an address of your choosing, anywhere in the world.

Submissions should be made to this thread, deadline is the month of February.

Thank you.

 
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smitty237    Wait a minute   2/13/2008 12:43:44 AM
Are the girls even naked in Indonesian Playboy?
 
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Godofgamblers       2/13/2008 3:13:50 AM

Are the girls even naked in Indonesian Playboy?



Well, to be honest, most of the pix are from the neck up.... and of course, they are wearing jilababs.... I hope that won't influence your decision to participate though smitty hehe.
 
 
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Herald12345    Never mind that prize.   2/13/2008 3:44:25 AM
How would Australia fared if they had used the Sentinel , the Woomera, the Boomerang, etc. and if the US had sent somebody else besides MacArthur-say General William Hood Simpson?

And I'll let an Australian pick a replacement for Blamey.

Herald

 
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DropBear       2/13/2008 5:23:44 AM
How would Australia fared if they had used the Sentinel , the Woomera, the Boomerang, etc. and if the US had sent somebody else besides MacArthur-say General William Hood Simpson?

And I'll let an Australian pick a replacement for Blamey.

We did. I believe it was one of the fastest paper idea to flying example productions in history. Built at Fishermen's Bend and although designed for the RAAF as an army co-operation aircraft, was sent up against the Japs. Not bad at all considering they swiped a Pratt from a Dak as the donk!




 
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sorebigtoe       2/13/2008 6:18:07 AM
How about Halsey isn't sent to hospital and commands USN forces at Midway?
Sorebigtoe
 
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Herald12345    GRRRRRRRRRRR!   2/13/2008 10:10:19 AM

How about Halsey isn't sent to hospital and commands USN forces at Midway?

Sorebigtoe

We lose.

Herald



 
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RockyMTNClimber    Hawaii   2/14/2008 6:29:23 PM

I am offering a prize for the best WW2 topic. The topic should be an interesting thread for the ARMED FORCES OF THE WORLD page, it should be on WW2, it can be technical, theoretical, it could evoke an alternate series of events, scenarios, it could focus on one country or many. Topics on Indonesia, however, shall receive no preferential treatment.

The winner will be chosen on a purely arbitrary basis, according to the whims of the judge, GoG.

The prize is one edition of Indonesian Playboy (potentially a collector's item) delivered to an address of your choosing, anywhere in the world.

Submissions should be made to this thread, deadline is the month of February.

Thank you.


I always wondered what would happen if the IJN had invaded Hawaii instead of a hit and run attack on Pearl. Perhaps one of the invasion groups that struck Wake, or Indonesia, had instead re routed to Hawaii and siezed enough real estate to make it unusable as a resupply/logistical center. The US lines of communication with Australia-NewZeland-Philipines would have been broken irrevocably for at least a year and a half. All points west severed it also catches the US oil stock and fleet repair assets in the port. Nobody can argue I think that the US forces could have repelled the invasion by say 15,000 Japanese Marines fresh from duty in China.
 
The entire Japanese gambit in WWII was to make the US sue for peace rather than fight it out in a protracted conflict. We know what happened when the Japanese missed our carriers and ran off. In my new scenario the battle of Guadalcanal never happens because the IJN have successfully severed the artery in the middle of the pacific.
 
It would make an interesting thread I think.
 
Check Six
 
Rocky
 
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Herald12345       2/14/2008 8:19:30 PM



I am offering a prize for the best WW2 topic. The topic should be an interesting thread for the ARMED FORCES OF THE WORLD page, it should be on WW2, it can be technical, theoretical, it could evoke an alternate series of events, scenarios, it could focus on one country or many. Topics on Indonesia, however, shall receive no preferential treatment.

The winner will be chosen on a purely arbitrary basis, according to the whims of the judge, GoG.

The prize is one edition of Indonesian Playboy (potentially a collector's item) delivered to an address of your choosing, anywhere in the world.

Submissions should be made to this thread, deadline is the month of February.

Thank you.



I always wondered what would happen if the IJN had invaded Hawaii instead of a hit and run attack on Pearl. Perhaps one of the invasion groups that struck Wake, or Indonesia, had instead re routed to Hawaii and siezed enough real estate to make it unusable as a resupply/logistical center. The US lines of communication with Australia-NewZeland-Philipines would have been broken irrevocably for at least a year and a half. All points west severed it also catches the US oil stock and fleet repair assets in the port. Nobody can argue I think that the US forces could have repelled the invasion by say 15,000 Japanese Marines fresh from duty in China.

 

The entire Japanese gambit in WWII was to make the US sue for peace rather than fight it out in a protracted conflict. We know what happened when the Japanese missed our carriers and ran off. In my new scenario the battle of Guadalcanal never happens because the IJN have successfully severed the artery in the middle of the pacific.

 

It would make an interesting thread I think.

 

Check Six

 

Rocky

Change some parameters.

Make it so, that the USN 1930s fleet ice cream budget went into weapon proofing submarine and destroyer wet-heater torpedoes that could run true at depth on the gyro for 1000 seconds at 20 mps, and that would explode on impact.

Make it so that the aerial torpedo the USN used could be dropped from 3000 meters run true at depth on the gyro for 300 seconds at 20 mps and that those would explode on impact.
      
Use the USN officers' 1930s  social events budget to;

Trial a schnorkel for a GAR and eventually design it into the GATOs as GUPPYs .

How long would the Japanese last in western Hawaii? 90 days, if they could land at all in 1941?

How long would the Japanese last period? Two years?

Herald


 
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RockyMTNClimber    Herald reply   2/14/2008 8:56:09 PM
   
Agreed that the criticisms you make are very valid. My scenario, however, does not require the inventing of decent torpedoes, USN planes to drop them, or snorkeling subs. I would also point out that the USN fleet boat was a really good boat for it's day. The basic seaworthiness was superior to even the German U's. Our leadership was sluggish to chicken hearted in their employment until well into the conflict. Allot of USN Sub commanders lost commands for being to squeamish about getting in and fighting. Those that did close with the enemy were rewarded with the sound of a clang when the torpedo broke up against the hull of the enemy craft.
 
I will take things as they happened with the caveat that the Japanese make an uncharacteristically bold move and seize Oahu using the assets they had on hand on Dec. 7, 1941.
 
Remember, the IJN wanted a "confrontation" with the USN and they wanted it early. The Lexington and The Enterprise were operating separately within a few days cruise of Hawaii. In the terror of the invasion they may not have coordinated properly and would have been caught and dispatched. IJN battleships could have provided the close in support needed by the troops. A blunt instrument to be sure but I think effective. The 6 IJN Carriers would have hunted the USN carrier forces down and probably killed them. Did the Lex or the Enterprise even have enough fuel aboard to make California?
 
In this scenario, the IJN have fuel depots (if they survive) docks, yards, airfields, and what ever is left of Honolulu to operate out of. Coral Sea does not happen and neither does Midway, or Guadalcanal. The Japanese get their naval match up early and when the battle space set is in their favor.
 
Check Six
 
Rocky
 
 
 
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Herald12345       2/14/2008 9:10:50 PM
We could develop this Japan in Hawaii scenario in a separate thread, if you like.

But for now, I will just say this.

Where do the Japanese find the resources to take Hawaii?

 They thought about it.When the Japanese wargamed it , they determined they needed five division equivalents to take and HOLD the place.

The IJN went to the IJA and asked for the shipping and the divisions based on that planning..

Do you know what the Imperial Army General Headquarters told the Combined Fleet staff?

"Are you insane?"

Herald

 
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Godofgamblers    rocky   3/3/2008 1:58:34 AM
Well, Rocky, you and Herald had the most interesting topics, and since Herald doesn't seem too interested in the prize, I'd like to offer it to you.
 
I am interested in any topic on the Pacific war since I don't know too much about that theater of operations. So send me a mailing address at endlessrain@cbn.net.id if you wish to claim the prize:)
 
I'll post your thread now.
 
thx
 
 
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RockyMTNClimber    Glad to have been chosen as worthy!   3/3/2008 4:27:41 PM

Well, Rocky, you and Herald had the most interesting topics, and since Herald doesn't seem too interested in the prize, I'd like to offer it to you.

 

I am interested in any topic on the Pacific war since I don't know too much about that theater of operations. So send me a mailing address at endlessrain@cbn.net.id if you wish to claim the prize:)

 

I'll post your thread now.

 

thx

 



 
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