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Subject: Future of BlackWater
theBird    2/9/2008 7:45:01 PM
After the Iraq Conflict is over, what are outfits like Blackwater going to do? I doubt they will get the same kind of contracts they do now in the states, but will they simply file for bancrupcy or start taking other jobs around the world, and if they do where? Will they start taking out contracts with forgien countries, or perhaps be hired by private organizations?

Two places that jump to mind for me are either Sudan to stop the genocide or Russia to battle the Chechnians.
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       2/9/2008 8:52:59 PM
I could see them being paid by companies for expat security, mine/well security in hot areas and by certain types of governments for advanced military training where the US/W. Europe Special Forces would not go due to political reasons.

Let them get contracts from Moscow to fight the Chechyans.
 
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Yimmy       2/9/2008 10:12:14 PM
Why would Russia want to hire expensive mercenaries to fight a long drawn out conflict for them, when they have ample expertise, manpower and hardware to do it themselves?
 
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theBird       2/10/2008 2:57:21 AM

Why would Russia want to hire expensive mercenaries to fight a long drawn out conflict for them, when they have ample expertise, manpower and hardware to do it themselves?



True, but then again the same could be said against the US hiring them for Iraq. 
 
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Nichevo       2/10/2008 6:39:37 AM

Why would Russia want to hire expensive mercenaries to fight a long drawn out conflict for them, when they have ample expertise, manpower and hardware to do it themselves?

Define "expertise."  For that matter define "ample."  Does it refer to quality or only to quantity?  Based upon their record I see no reason to get shirty about Russia's need to improve in the former.
 
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FJV       2/10/2008 6:41:14 AM
Could be that the firm has contracted their personell for the duration of the conflict. When Iraq is done then the company size could shrink quickly.

Then there still are UN actions, protection of oil facilities, etc..
 
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YelliChink       2/10/2008 9:44:15 AM
ROC military should hire blackwater to train Taiwanese soldiers.
 
If they don't, USDOS and DOD should put pressure on them to make them comply.
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       2/10/2008 12:37:17 PM

ROC military should hire blackwater to train Taiwanese soldiers.

 

If they don't, USDOS and DOD should put pressure on them to make them comply.


Yeah, the permanent stationing of Blackwater troops in Taiwan, receiving mysterious payments from unknown sources on a long term basis would probably be the most positive use for them.
 
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Yimmy       2/10/2008 1:00:22 PM



Why would Russia want to hire expensive mercenaries to fight a long drawn out conflict for them, when they have ample expertise, manpower and hardware to do it themselves?


Define "expertise."  For that matter define "ample."  Does it refer to quality or only to quantity?  Based upon their record I see no reason to get shirty about Russia's need to improve in the former.

I would suggest the Russian military has a great deal more expertise than Blackwater.
 
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Nichevo    I've had all I can stands, I can't stands no more!   2/10/2008 1:43:29 PM

Why would Russia want to hire expensive mercenaries to fight a long drawn out conflict for them, when they have ample expertise, manpower and hardware to do it themselves?


Define "expertise."  For that matter define "ample."  Does it refer to quality or only to quantity?  Based upon their record I see no reason to get shirty about Russia's need to improve in the former.


I would suggest the Russian military has a great deal more expertise than Blackwater.
Jesus you're stupid, Yimmy.  Are you ever right about anything?  I'm serious, I cannot recall the last time I agreed with you.  Can anyone vouch for this guy's intelligence, at all?  Every time I read your posts I feel my brains leaking out my ears.

Google the effing 2002 Nord-Ost siege at the effing Moscow Opera House.  Google effing Beslan.  For Chrissake google effing Chechnya.  Where is the expertise?  Apart from expertise in sustaining casualties.

I thought you were always whining about American friendly fire.  The Russian armed forces, in paticular their best and most "expert" units, killed more innocent people at Nord-Ost and Beslan than the US has killed foreign allies with friendly fire altogether since, oh, 1945.  And the Russians took more casualties in Chechnya in either war than the US has in toto since 9/11 - for the second, including the victims of 9/11.  (BTW, that one, simmering since 1999, ain't over yet!)  And probably they kill more that in hazing training incidents every year.

I won't even compare them to the USA - name one mission you'd rather have a given unit of Russian armed forces to accomplish than one of British armed forces (discounting mass).  Maybe there is one, like riot control or running a labor camp or something.  Can you name three?

...

You've got to be a communist.  Aren't you a communist?  Or some kind of Russki jock-sniffer at the very least.  Why are you so effing stupid, stupid?  The Russian armed forces are a sick joke chiefly suited for oppressing their own people.  If it weren't for their nukes I'd go mug Putin for lunch money.  (Well, the Chinese would.)

I'm sorry to be angry but I have to be honest - like the judge in Pink Floyd's The Wall, the way you [flaunt your abusive belligerent stupidity] fills me with the urge to defecate!  Honestly I would rather have mithradates back. 



What is your day job, Yimmy - Archbishop of Canterbury?
 
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Nichevo    I've had all I can stands, I can't stands no more!   2/10/2008 1:45:50 PM

ROC military should hire blackwater to train Taiwanese soldiers.



If they don't, USDOS and DOD should put pressure on them to make them comply.



Yeah, the permanent stationing of Blackwater troops in Taiwan, receiving mysterious payments from unknown sources on a long term basis would probably be the most positive use for them.
I'm sorry, Nan, were you confused about who pays BW? 

 
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Yimmy       2/10/2008 2:11:57 PM
I guess I hit a nerve!

Oh how I agree that the Russian armed forces can screw up mightily, especially in Vietnam Chechnya - mind they still kept America guessing for nearly half a century!  Perhaps you would enjoy reading up on some of the operations Blackwater have embarrassed themselves in, silly boy.
 
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bob the brit       2/10/2008 2:14:38 PM

I guess I hit a nerve!

Oh how I agree that the Russian armed forces can screw up mightily, especially in Vietnam Chechnya - mind they still kept America guessing for nearly half a century!  Perhaps you would enjoy reading up on some of the operations Blackwater have embarrassed themselves in, silly boy.



i was waiting to see what your response would be .
 
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Yimmy       2/10/2008 2:19:36 PM



i was waiting to see what your response would be .


Hush Bob, you'l distract me from the wascally wabbit.
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       2/10/2008 2:44:56 PM





ROC military should hire blackwater to train Taiwanese soldiers.






If they don't, USDOS and DOD should put pressure on them to make them comply.





Yeah, the permanent stationing of Blackwater troops in Taiwan, receiving mysterious payments from unknown sources on a long term basis would probably be the most positive use for them.

I'm sorry, Nan, were you confused about who pays BW? 



How about Taipei paying Blackwater?
 
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Nichevo       2/10/2008 2:54:03 PM



I guess I hit a nerve!

Oh how I agree that the Russian armed forces can screw up mightily, especially in Vietnam Chechnya - mind they still kept America guessing for nearly half a century!  Perhaps you would enjoy reading up on some of the operations Blackwater have embarrassed themselves in, silly boy.




i was waiting to see what your response would be .

I guess you're still waiting - I am, because he hasn't answered any of my actual contentions.  Not that I would expect him to do anything so linear, i.e. answer what was asked.  Besides it would be crap anyway. 

I'd be glad to hear your responses, though, bob.  Defend the Russian military's performance in any conflict since WWII.  Afghanistan, whatever. 

Of course their INTELLIGENCE apparatus is an entirely different story!  Probably better than yours or ours.
 
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