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Subject: Most powerful regimes(countries) in history
lope    1/27/2004 4:48:41 PM
1.Romans 2.British 3.Eygatians 4.USA
 
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Jiun Si    RE:Most powerful regimes(countries) in history   1/30/2004 3:40:45 AM
I would say as best I can- Ancient Regimes: Ancient Egypt Chinese Han dynasty Chinese Tang dynasty Ancient Greece Ancient India Persia Modern States/Empires: Italy (Rennaissance founder) Britain US
 
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Jiun Si    RE:Most powerful regimes(countries) in history   1/30/2004 3:42:52 AM
I mean the US.
 
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Ad    RE:Most powerful regimes(countries) in history   1/31/2004 1:00:59 PM
Well I with out being insulting, I don’t think the Italians should be at the top any list with the name “glorious, biggest, etc” unless the word defeat is in the title as well. Italy wasn’t a united state. Piedmont for instance was under Austro-Hungarian control, as one example. Although the Venetians did save Christianity, on mainland Europe at least, at the cataclysmic naval battle, Lapanto, 1571 I believe (not 100%)
 
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voilà    RE:Most powerful regimes(countries) in history   1/31/2004 2:45:05 PM
In a Occidental point of view, the most powerful regimes were Rome in the Antiquity, nobody in the Middle Age, then Spain (Habsbourg), France, Great Britain and now USA.
 
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mike_golf    RE:Most powerful regimes(countries) in history   2/1/2004 12:10:47 AM
In antiquity I think we can't leave out China, the Mongols and Macedonia/Greece under Phillip and Alexander.
 
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lope    RE:Most powerful regimes(countries) in history   2/2/2004 4:25:49 PM
Israel?????
 
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fall out    RE:Most powerful regimes(countries) in history   2/2/2004 5:47:51 PM
haha
 
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mike_golf    RE:Most powerful regimes(countries) in history   2/2/2004 5:57:46 PM
Okay, I don't think a country can be considered one of the "most powerful in history" if it's influence/power is limited to a specific region. Think about the countries listed. During ancient times we discuss countries that influenced the entirety of the world they knew. During modern times (let's say post 1500 AD) we discussed countries that influenced the entire globe. Israel, whether in ancient times or modern times, has never been able to influence anything other than its region and it's sponsor's politics. That is not in the same class as what we are discussing
 
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private pile    French strat   2/6/2004 1:04:56 PM
O.k would you say that france has had a better empire than GB. we would all give napolion gredit for being a good leader. but you seem to always find a way to but the french above the british/english in no matter what way
 
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Worcester    RE:French strat-definining French power points   2/6/2004 3:05:51 PM
There are two prominent points: (1) from Richelieu through Colbert up to the loss of French America (Seven Years War/French&Indian War 1754) and colonies in India, etc. (2) Napoleon's Consulship, and European Imperial growth until 1812. In between was the 1776 American War of Independence where Franchn helped to defeat the British at Yorktown at the cost of Mauritius to the British (which had higher revenues (sugar) than all of north America combined), the fall of the House of Bourbon, the Reign of Terror, etc. Part of the French problem may be their identity. For much of the 11th-16th centuries there was no "France" in the modern sense; Normandy, Aquitaine, Anjou were English and the Duke of Burgundy could always be relied on not to support the French King but to help the English (for example, by burning Joan of Arc - yes, Burgundy, not England); frequent battles Poitiers, Crecy, Agincourt with the results very much one way. However, times change and Calais, the last English possession became French in 1570. Surely from a French viewpoint, actually getting your country united is a good thing? The rise from here to the mid-18th century is impressive. But 1754 was the top. Napoleon achieved much in pacifying the chaos of revolution, in giving the French an official national language, codifying laws; and gaining some respect in Europe. But what of the Empire? Yes, occupied Europe - the Cisalpine Republic, the Kingdom of Naples, the Confederation of the Rhine, the Duchy of Warsaw - looks impressive on a map and they did pay all of the cost of the Grande Armee; but they gave no economic strength to France. The attempt at the early EU in the form of the Continental System banning trade with Britain shows how little control Napoleon had; British trade with Europe actually increased! And while Napoleon was busy conquering Europe (and, briefly Egypt!) the British continued their global trade and profit-focused expansion. When the new USA needed financing - our first Treasury bond issue to pay-off Washington's army - where did we go? Not Paris, but London. And the British Government itself could raise twice the credit of Imperial France; naval brilliance aside, the Brits could just outspend Napoleon. The parallels with the EU are significant. You don't get more profit or national income by pooling nations together; you don't get a great power from combining several medium powers. It is this inattention to the economics of power which have constantly plagued French strategy. Napoleon's ventures served little purpose - notwithstanding the undoubted genius of his generalship - and were barely cashflow positive in that they were paid for by occupied states. The French themselves wisely refused to pay and, after Waterloo, shut him out of Paris. For these reasons, the pinnacle of French power was 1754. After that, France had the ability to disrupt Britain occasionally (1776) but nothing else. The Napoleonic occupation of Europe was as economically doomed as it was militarily brilliant.
 
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