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Subject: Going After Enemy Missiles?
CJH    9/6/2014 10:58:26 AM
Is there an application for robotic drone-like aircraft to deploy forward clandestinely. land, wait and then on signal begin search and destroy operations against enemy country's fixed and mobile launcher missiles?

I have been wondering about this since realizing that the missiles themselves are probably pretty soft targets. Anyone with a rifle might be able to knock one out with one shot.

 
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keffler25       9/6/2014 11:27:30 AM
No. Too many problems, IAD sensors being the most critical. Landing gear is a BIG radar return.  

I have been wondering about this since realizing that the missiles themselves are probably pretty soft targets. Anyone with a rifle might be able to knock one out with one shot.

 
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WarNerd       9/6/2014 1:44:23 PM
Is there an application for robotic drone-like aircraft to deploy forward clandestinely. land, wait and then on signal begin search and destroy operations against enemy country's fixed and mobile launcher missiles?
 
I have been wondering about this since realizing that the missiles themselves are probably pretty soft targets. Anyone with a rifle might be able to knock one out with one shot.
Consider the size of the drone given the requirement for sensors, weapons, range/fuel, and a VTOL capability. Now try and find places something that big can put down where no one will stumble over it. And additional sensors to spot intruders, just in case, and the link to monitor those sensors that can be detected and tracked, and the self destruct to prevent capture.
 
Likely the only result would be to supply a potential aggressor with a ‘Casus belli’ or a defender with free proof of your aggression in the world Press before you attack.
 
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CJH       9/21/2014 7:20:59 PM


 
I have been wondering about this since realizing that the missiles themselves are probably pretty soft targets. Anyone with a rifle might be able to knock one out with one shot.

Consider the size of the drone given the requirement for sensors, weapons, range/fuel, and a VTOL capability. Now try and find places something that big can put down where no one will stumble over it. And additional sensors to spot intruders, just in case, and the link to monitor those sensors that can be detected and tracked, and the self destruct to prevent capture.

 

Likely the only result would be to supply a potential aggressor with a ?Casus belli? or a defender with free proof of your aggression in the world Press before you attack.



How big would a submersible flying robot capable of damaging a missile guidance system have to be? I suppose that the intended mode of causing damage would partly determine size.

Also, I guess maybe some sort of mother ship arrangement where a large transporter gets the strike robots within their operating range first might make the whole concept a little more feasible. Would a single explosive 40mm round of the type intended for infantry use suffice?

I originally did wonder whether special ops types with sniper rifles might somehow be effective but it occurred to me that then robotic devices might be more appropriate.

 
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CJH       9/21/2014 7:24:31 PM
Crazy idea I guess.
 
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WarNerd       9/21/2014 9:19:19 PM
How big would a submersible flying robot capable of damaging a missile guidance system have to be? I suppose that the intended mode of causing damage would partly determine size.
Also, I guess maybe some sort of mother ship arrangement where a large transporter gets the strike robots within their operating range first might make the whole concept a little more feasible. Would a single explosive 40mm round of the type intended for infantry use suffice?
How about defining a few parameters:
• Clarify the operation scenario envisioned.  Is this a swim-in design for use against coastal batteries?  Or does it fly to a body of water then submerge to hide until called to attack, then surface and takes off again?
• Range underwater and in flight.
• Water depth required for concealment.  Please note that most coastal waters are fished.  Most freshwater lakes are clear.  Rivers and streams have currents.
• Kill mechanism -- single or multiple targets?
• Locating targets, especially mobile ones.  Discriminating decoys is also important, typically 60% to 90% of the targets will be decoys.  The Russians learned this the hard way in Georgia, even though it was their standard doctrine.
• Kill assessment -- When do you perform a follow on attack and when do you switch targets?
• Etc.
 
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