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Which is the best 9mm pistol?
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11/30/2003 9:32:27 AM
By best,i mean grip,accuracy,reloading function,safety,recoil,etc.Ive heard a lot about the SIG,nice and easy to use.Then theres the glock...17 i think....and the berretta.And probably a lot more.Which do you think is the best?
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Turk58
Turk58
5/8/2008 10:09:30 PM
Gentleman:
Regarding the 9mm vs 45. debate, stopping power (not to be confused with killing power) is based on the size/weight of the projectile and velocity. I'm not a ballistics expert, nor am I taking sides between the Fackler studies and Marshall and Sanow (with a bias for small and fast projectiles - works for high power rifles where the bullet tumbles like the 223, not handgun rounds).
To stop your attacker, it boils down to energy dump. A small expanding bullet (FMJHP) at a high velocity such as the 9mm Corbon 115 grain +P has greater one shot stopping power than a FMJ 45. ACP. If you are into wound channels, the expanding Corbon 9 +P is comparable to the 45 FMJ, but the Corbon 9 delivers greater energy dump than the 45 because of its higher velocity. The .357 125 grain Federal or Remington round ranks among the best rounds for stopping power.
With a handgun, the goal is to stop your attacker from continuing his attack on you. Statistics show that 80 percent of people shot by a handgun by an attacker survives his wounds. It was once said that you use a handgun to fight your way back to grab your rifle, a more reliable killing machine. Bottom line, whether you are using a .380 or a 45., it boils down to shot placement. To quote a great gunfighter from the old west, Wyatt Earp, "The Best way to win a gunfight is to take your time, but do it quickly"!
Best 9 MM - so many factors. I had a Beretta 92FS for two years. I blew out the locking block after 25,000 rounds and the frame cracked soon after. Reliable gun, open barrel design prevents stovepipes and never a double feed. It's a hot looking gun, but why they put a heavy solid steel slide slamming back on an alluminum alloy frame is beyond me. For safety purposes, I liked the double action with the heavy first round trigger pull and the decocking safety. The polymer hammerless striker guns such as Glock 17 and 19 (compact version) are fun to shoot, but again, I want a safety on my gun, call me a girlie man. The CZ 75 is pretty damn good.
Safe shooting!!!!
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Horsesoldier
5/9/2008 10:28:21 AM
Energy transfer only works if the projectile hits something that the transferred energy has a major effect on, like bone or non-elastic tissues like the liver. If you just plow a bullet through something with good elastic properties like, say, muscle, then how much kinetic energy your projectile has is irrelevant, unless the projectile's energy overcomes the ability of the tissue to stretch (handgun rounds need not apply).
End of the day, multiple holes in the torso or head administered quickly are the only safe bet with a handgun for stopping an attacker.
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Turk58
Touche
5/9/2008 10:27:53 PM
I couldn't agree more. But one thing - "Center Mass" is what you're trained in defensive handgun courses - hence bony material such as breastplate/sternum!
Turk58
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longrifle
5/10/2008 1:40:58 PM
"End of the day, multiple holes in the torso or head administered quickly are the only safe bet with a handgun for stopping an attacker." - Horsesoldier
Agreed.
Example: submachineguns have been devastating at close ranges; however, they are really just big pistols that have been used to "stitch 'em up the middle," or "shoot 'em down to the ground," so to speak.
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oisin
8/10/2008 9:31:46 PM
I've heard good things about the CZ 75B . . . how do y'all thing it compares? I'm looking to buy my first handgun, and only have $500 to spend (maybe $550, but not much higher) on it. What would people recommend? I'm pretty seriously considering either a Glock or a Beretta also.
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Yimmy
8/10/2008 9:59:20 PM
I had a crack with an old Browning High Power recently (one of the magazines was stamped 1981). It was a very nice ergonomic pistol, which fitted my hand well, and very easy to shoot. I didn't get through a full magazine without it jamming mind - but I expect that was more due to it's age and treatment.
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oisin
8/10/2008 10:16:17 PM
I've heard good things about the CZ 75B . . . how do y'all thing it compares? I'm looking to buy my first handgun, and only have $500 to spend (maybe $550, but not much higher) on it. What would people recommend? I'm pretty seriously considering either a Glock or a Beretta also.
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RockyMTNClimber
Browning HP reliability...
8/11/2008 5:22:51 PM
I had a crack with an old Browning High Power recently (one of the magazines was stamped 1981). It was a very nice ergonomic pistol, which fitted my hand well, and very easy to shoot. I didn't get through a full magazine without it jamming mind - but I expect that was more due to it's age and treatment.
A properly maintained HP will shoot thousands upon thousands of rounds without failure. I know allot of guys who swear by them in competitive shoots and seem to never have a failure.
It would not be my choice for the
ideal 9mm
but it is a very solid design.
Glock 19-17 still gets my vote.
Check Six
Rocky
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Yimmy
8/11/2008 7:16:23 PM
This was an old British army pistol Rocky - I expect it has seen a lot of abuse in its time. In theatre now we are using Sig's.
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AngryOldman
CZ-75 P01 not 75B
8/18/2008 2:15:54 PM
I have owned the CZ-75 P01 for 4 years now and after 4000+ rounds, not even 1 jam or misfire. This is the only NATO authorized pistol available. I prefer the Federal HST (HydroShockTactical) round (9mm of course). Accuracy is superb and ergonomics are amazing! You would LOVE this sidearm.
Angry Oldman
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