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Subject: Best Semi auto Pistol today?
Philippine Soldier    10/30/2003 9:29:00 AM
I love pistol shooting. I currently own and use the best plastic gun in the world, the Glock model 35. I have a calibre 40 S&W and magazine capacity is 15. It is very light, tough and reliable. I would like to hear from other peoples opinion. Which semi auto pistol is available in the market right now that is worth looking at. Is is the Para ordnance, Colt or others.
 
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ChdNorm    RE:Best Semi auto Pistol today?   10/30/2003 12:19:17 PM
I never have cared for the Glock personally. It just feels wrong to me. In my opinion, there are so many really good handguns made now that if someone started a totally unbiased search for their perfect sidearms it could take years! Me being completely biased though ... I keep it fairly simple. 1911 style gov't models/Browning Hi-powers/Sig P220-P226-P229s are the cream of the crop to me.
 
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Octogen    RE: One vote for the Glock 32   10/30/2003 1:34:22 PM
The nature of "Best" is always difficult to pinpoint - although taking price into consideration (which is not unimportant to mere mortals!), my vote would certainly have to go to the Glock 32. I'm particularly fond of the ballistics of the 357 (sig) round, for too many reasons to quickly discuss here.
 
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HunterSThompson    RE: One vote for the Glock 32   10/30/2003 2:59:40 PM
Springfield Armory Modified 1911's used by the US Marine Force Recon units is the best pistol I have seen out there. I've shot plenty of Glocks and they are great guns, but I guess I just don't see why everyone is so excited about them. I guess I'm just stuck in past with the 1911
 
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ChdNorm    RE: One vote for the Glock 32 -Octogon   10/30/2003 4:52:34 PM
Ive had this irresistable urge lately to get a bar-sto .357 Sig for my Browning .40. It seems like such an impressive round ... maybe even in the same class as the 125 gr .357! I'm wondering if you have any experiance reloading it. Is it a pain?
 
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Philippine Soldier    reloading   10/31/2003 5:43:01 PM
I have only reloaded .40 S&W using 200 grain. I am using a Lee Pro 1000 reloader. It is simple once you get the hang of it.
 
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ChdNorm    RE:reloading   10/31/2003 6:19:11 PM
I meant the .357 Sig round. It being a bottle neck cartridge, I wonder about moving the shoulder forward after a couple of firings causing stoppages.
 
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Condor Legion    Another Vote   11/1/2003 10:26:42 PM
...for the 1911A1. John Brownings hammer. OLD SLABSIDES, CL
 
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Moonpie    A tough one to answer.   11/2/2003 4:24:08 PM
Personally I favor the Glocks. Pretty much idiot proof. Go bang every time you pull the trigger. Simple and easy to strip/clean/maintain. Weather resistant. Not expensive compared to the others. The 1911's are very popular but are large and heavy. 1911's have a good combat reputation but I guarantee the super accurate 1911 of nice,clean shooting range fame wouldn't cut it out in a muddy foxhole. A worn out old sloppy 1911A1 would though. Most new made ones are too expensive. SIG's are okay. S&W's are okay but personally don't care for them. Ruger's same-same. .357 Sig is a good cartridge. So is .40S&W. Of course good old 45ACP doesn't need any more lip service. Has proved itself many many times. Can't see any other cartridge choices for main sidearm use. 9mm Para stinks. Anything smaller needs to be in a mouse gun.
 
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JROTCKid    RE:Unertl The Scopemaker goes Pistola   11/4/2003 7:24:57 PM
Unertls new 1911 Gets my vote. I havent shot it yet though... Shooting Times and Special Weapons For police and Law enforcement give it the go .
 
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Goblin6    RE:Unertl The Scopemaker goes Pistola   11/4/2003 7:52:39 PM
Call me old fashioned, but the 1911A1 is a fine weapon. It has both ruggedness and reliability going for it. Besides for being a 100 year-old design its not bad at all!
 
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ChdNorm    RE:Unertl The Scopemaker goes Pistola   11/4/2003 8:36:44 PM
I have no experiance with the unertl .... i didnt even know they were making them now. But I always go with the springfields. Is it just me, or is Colt just living off their reputation? I've yet to see a colt made in the last ten years that was very far above a Norinco. The Kimbers are nice by any measure, but something about them just doesnt feel right to me. I think its the grip safety they use? Dollar for dollar though ... I always stick to the springfields.
 
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JROTCKid    RE:Unertl The Scopemaker goes Pistola   11/5/2003 3:17:01 PM
All most all 1911s have the safety under the hammer at the hilt of the grip that you have to depress. I dont care for them. I call a safety an empty chamber that you charge the weapon when you need it .Im sorry but if your stupid enough to walk around ed and locked you deserve to shoot your self .
 
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ChdNorm    Cocked and Locked   11/6/2003 9:41:41 PM
Actually, the 1911 series pistols are very safe in this mode of carry. Aside from the grip safety and thumb safety, the series 80's with the passive firing pin safety are as safe, if not safer than, any other handgun out there. In the event of a broken full hammer notch, even if all other systems fail, the hammer will not fire a chambered cartridge, as it will simply engage the half . I have carried 1911s extensively in the military, civilian law enforcement, and concealed carry. Never once had a negligent discharge. Its a simple matter of training. Any weapon carried in condition three (loaded mag, empty chamber) might as well be left at home. A case can also be made that condition three carry can also lead to a more dangerous situation than condition one (ed and locked). Many times, especially in law enforcement, the need arises to draw your sidearm when a round will never be fired (Felony stops, building searches, warrant services ... things of that nature). Condition three will leave you having to chamber a round before going into action. Not only is this too slow and awkard to be of much use, it also leaves you holding a weapon that is ed and off safe with many pistols (traditional DA/SA S&W, Berretta, Sig, Ruger, basically all but DAO and Glocks). The potential for a negligent discharge is huge. Regardless of what brand or make of weapon you carry, your primary safety is always located conveniently between your ears.
 
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JROTCKid    RE:Cocked and Locked   11/7/2003 4:36:05 PM
So if you charge the slide with the saftey off there is the potential for discharge ?
 
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ChdNorm    RE:Cocked and Locked   11/7/2003 5:02:39 PM
exactly, youre holding an off safe weapon that is ready to fire. Depending upon the situation (such as holding a Felon at gun point while taking them into custody, covering a suspect until assistance arrives, or even moving to cover) It may not cross your mind to de or make safe your weapon creating the likelyhood, not just the possibility that unless your trigger finger knows not to go anywhere near the trigger until the moment you are ready to fire you will screw the pooch at the worst possible time. Many lawsuits and unjustified shootings have resulted from that over the years. Its probably more an issue more of civil and criminal liability than handgun design ... but its solved by training. With the 1911 type handguns, as well as most other SA autos there is no way to operate the slide with the safety engaged. With designs such as the SIGs, some Berrettas, Rugers, Smith & Wessons, there is no safety to engage, only the deer. If condition three is what you really prefer then a pistol like the Glock or DAO designs would be much safer. Although to me, regardless of what pistol it is it needs to be carried in a mode where it can be rapidly employed shearly by the nature of engagements handguns are meant and utilized most often for. youve got time to make a condition three handgun ready to be put into action ....... in my opinion, youve got time to grab up a shotgun, SMG, or rifle.
 
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