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Subject: Glock 23 as The Official US Military sidearm
RockyMTNClimber    1/23/2007 2:34:18 PM
The most popular US Police sidearm and a generation ahead of the M9. Check Six Rocky
 
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RockyMTNClimber    Why was it silly????   1/24/2007 5:09:51 PM
 
Because Glock is in business to sell guns. There are allot of reasons why Glock may not have entered a bid, but your reason is not one of them. Where ever you are, get back on your meds.
 
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RockyMTNClimber    USMC buys Glock?   1/24/2007 5:39:49 PM
DefRev Scoop: USMC Purchases 10,000 Glock 37 Pistols (.45 GAP).
Posted on Friday, April 30 @ 19:21:18 PDT by davidc

Pistolshttp://www.defensereview.com/images/topics/pistol.gif" align=right vspace=10 border=0> by David Crane
[email protected]

This article was published on April 30, 2004, and subsequently retracted on May 6, 2004.  This is the only DefenseReview.com article that has ever had to be retracted, to date (4/29/06).  It should be noted that because of this incident, DefenseReview.com immediately created new research, verification, and publishing protocols and procedures to negate the possibility of its recurrence in the future.

This is HUGE. DefRev has just received information from one of its sources that the United States Marine Corps (USMC) has purchased 10,000 Glock 37 (G37) pistols. According to our source, the pistols have already been delivered, and the Marines have had them for two months, now.

This is staggering news. Just staggering, particularly with respect to what it implies regarding the G37 pistol/.45 GAP cartridge combo's initial development and what the future holds for it.

The source concured with DefRev's supossition/assertion (of the possibility) that perhaps the G37 pistol/.45 GAP cartridge combo/package was, in fact, designed/developed from the get-go specifically for the purpose of landing large U.S. military contracts. Understand that DefRev, as yet, has no proof of this. Right now, it's just conjecture. However, both the USMC and U.S. Army have been searching for...


a replacement for the Beretta 92F for quite some time now, and it looks like the Marines are the first to find it. If that's the case, DefRev would not be suprised if the U.S. Army followed suit, and ordered G37's by the hundreds-of-thousands in the not-too-distant future.
DefRev is guessing that the idea of .45 ACP performance out of a 9mm/.40-sized platform was very appealing for them (USMC). According to our source, the USMC's purchase decision also had to do with a desire to equip Marines with a pistol round that can't be fired in enemy weapons, which implies that one of the conditions for the U.S. military purchase will be restricted, or even prohibited, sales/distribution of .45 GAP ammunition (and thus, pistols) in other countries. Again, DefRev doesn't have any confirmation of this. This is just conjecture, at this point.

DefRev got a chance to fire the Glock 37 pistol last year at SWAT Round-Up 2003, and came away very impressed with it. We were particularly surprised by the contollability of the pistol/round combo. DefRev has video of the G37 being handled and fired at the Round-Up. We'll try to make it available to our readers, soon.

The .45 GAP round is designed to provide equal to superior ballistic/terminal performance to the .45 ACP, while utilizing a shorter cartridge case that can operate in a smaller and lighter weapon platform. The G37 is essentially the same size as a G17/G22. The compact version of the G37, the Glock 38 (G38), is supposed to be on its way. That's actually the one I'm waiting for, since my daily carry (CCW) gun is a G19.

By the way, DefRev has also heard rumors that the .45 GAP could/may become a law enforcement-only round, although we currently don't give these rumors any credence, since there's absolutely no evidence to support them. DefRev doesn't yet know whether or not Glock, Inc. has even considered cutting off civilian sales of it's .45 GAP pistols and ammo inside the U.S. At this point, we don't think they would do that. We certainly hope not, anyway.

DefRev definitely can't blame the Marines for going with the Glock 37 and .45 GAP round. It's an impressive combo/package, both in the hand and on paper. Personally, I'm just waiting for my G38.

Click here to read an update to the above article, titled Update: USMC Purchases 10,000 Glock 37 Pistols (.45
 
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RockyMTNClimber    USMC buys Glock? NOT!   1/24/2007 5:40:49 PM
Update and Retraction Re: USMC Purchases 10,000 Glock 37 Pistols (.45 GAP).
Posted on Thursday, May 06 @ 18:34:48 PDT by davidc

Pistolshttp://www.defensereview.com/images/topics/pistol.gif" align=right vspace=10 border=0> by David Crane
[email protected]

This article was published on May 6, 2004.

DefRev must retract our story, "USMC Purchases 10,000 Glock 37 Pistols (.45 GAP)". We now believe the intel we received to have been inaccurate. Our sources at Glock and (USMC) MARCORSYSCOM Infantry Weapons Systems have reported that they have no knowledge of any bulk Glock 37 purchase made by USMC. We should have checked with both of those sources first, before running with the story.


So, we screwed up. More specifically, I screwed up. I...



got out of the gate ahead of myself. I apologize to our members and readers for the mistake, and I assure you that DefRev will do its best not to repeat it. In the future, if we receive information that is unconfirmed, we will either wait for secondary confirmation, or we will publish the information/story specifically as "unconfirmed" or "unverified", and "we'll keep you posted".
Sincerely,

David Crane
Editor-in-Chief
DefenseReview.com

 
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RockyMTNClimber    Too much Coffee   1/24/2007 8:26:28 PM

 

Because Glock is in business to sell guns. There are allot of reasons why Glock may not have entered a bid, but your reason is not one of them. Where ever you are, get back on your meds.

 

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Rocky


Sorry about the meds crack. What is your source for Glock's resistence to doing business with the US Mil.. I could find no references in my googles, and actually found where the Feds had bought buckets full of Glocks for us and the Afghan's.
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Zerbrechen       1/24/2007 9:26:21 PM
   Like it or not, nere's my take on the Glock (Good, bad and the Ugly).
 
   I'll start my dissertation with an acknowledgement that I'm not a Glock fan, overall.  I like SIGs.  Having been forced to use on for a duty weapon where I used to work (Glock 22 .40 S&W), I've broken down the advantages as these:
      
      1)  Glocks are simple.  Many a police officer has very little firearm experience and training with a Glock keeps it simple.  Load mag, place in weapon, rack a round and put in holster.  It's all point and click from there.
 
      2) Glocks have a low profile.  It helps with muzzle rise issues and rapid fire.
 
      3)  Trigger pull is always the same.
 
   Of course, here's what I don't like with the things.
 
      1)  P-p-plastic.  This may be personal preference, but engineered obsolescence comes to mind.  Lots of people like a lighter weapon, but I like steel.
 
      2)  During my qualifications, we were told to "not use the slide release to release the slide."  Apparently they had been breaking when used too much.  The reasoning then came up that the slide release was only for locking the slide to the rear, and in a firefight, you'd never find the slide release anyway.  As my old German professor would say, "Bulltort!"
 
      3)  Is anyone really fooled into thinking that that trigger safety is really a safety?
 
   Overall it's a good weapon to train the masses on, and cheap.  I equate it to the AK of the pistol world.  I would still rather stake my life on my Sig P226SP over the Glock any day.
 
 
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longrifle       1/24/2007 9:40:52 PM
It took me a while to learn to like it but I wouldn't want to carry anything else on duty now. 

Pistols can be like hats.  I got a new straw Stetson once that gave me a headache when I first started wearing it.  After a while it felt fine.  I'm not sure if the hat got broke in or my head changed shape.

 
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Zerbrechen    Glocks and the military   1/24/2007 11:58:51 PM
   It seems a little shaky to me that Glock wouldn't want a fat US Mil contract.  I know that they must be making a killing in the Law Enforcement market.  On a side note, were all the HK MP5's the US Mil bought made in the US?  Glock has been doing well to dominate the pistol market, so I'm surprisd that they wouldn't love to sell a few million more to the US.
 
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Heorot       1/25/2007 2:17:26 PM

   It seems a little shaky to me that Glock wouldn't want a fat US Mil contract.  I know that they must be making a killing in the Law Enforcement market.  On a side note, were all the HK MP5's the US Mil bought made in the US?  Glock has been doing well to dominate the pistol market, so I'm surprisd that they wouldn't love to sell a few million more to the US.


I'm sure that Glock would love a big US military contract; as long as they make them themselves. The trouble is, if it was REALLY big, there qould be a stipulation that it should be manufactured in the US.

For whatever reason, Glock will not allow their pistols to be made outside of their own factories and they don't want to build their own factory in the US.

This was discussed on SP at the time of the US Army replacement pistol requirement a few years ago.
 
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RockyMTNClimber    Plenty of Industrial Space Available   1/25/2007 3:34:47 PM
The trouble is, if it was REALLY big, there qould be a stipulation that it should be manufactured in the US.

For whatever reason, Glock will not allow their pistols to be made outside of their own factories and they don't want to build their own factory in the US.
 
Glock would be crazy to not build a mfg site in US, to fulfill a US Military contract. In many parts of the US the price of a facility would probably be much less than the upgrades needed to increase capacity in Austria. Local communities in the US would give great tax incentives to Glock to locate in their towns (and bring the jobs).
 
When Berretta won the contract for the M9 they produced the first batch in Europe while they arranged for US mfg set up.  So there probably should be a similar arrangement for them too.
 
Glock would have no problem bringing their engineering staff in to run the program, USG would help them obtain work visa's ect.. This thing would be a "no-brainer".
 
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Horsesoldier       2/1/2007 4:21:17 PM

I'm sure that Glock would love a big US military contract; as long as they make them themselves. The trouble is, if it was REALLY big, there qould be a stipulation that it should be manufactured in the US.

For whatever reason, Glock will not allow their pistols to be made outside of their own factories and they don't want to build their own factory in the US.

This was discussed on SP at the time of the US Army replacement pistol requirement a few years ago.
Glock did submit a modified version of the Glock 21 for consideration for the recent Joint Combat Pistol competition.  That version of the 21 (including a slim-line grip suitable for 95% of the human race that the standard G-21 doesn't fit) is due to be hitting stores for sales to civilians soon.
There is some enthusiasm for .40S&W as a 9mm replacement in the military (both SOCOM and the USAF are still pursuing replacements to the M9 even though JCP went away), and it is possible that 40S&W and the Glocks chambered to fire them may still turn up in a big way in the US military inventory before it is all said and done.  There should be some decision from both the USAF and SOCOM within the next couple years.  (Of course they've said that before as well . . .).

 
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