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andyf 8/26/2006 8:34:34 AM

rather than liquid bombs or other explosives.. why havent the terrorists worked out that a bit of mustard gas/phosgene/etc released on a plane at altitude would be a hell of a weapon.? some things would be so easy to make, how about a thermos flask with liquified carbon monoxide in it? the air on a plane is recirculated- ok , so the terroris dies as well, but they dont care about that

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andyf 9/14/2007 11:13:16 PM

gotta be the oil tanker option then, how about we salt the crude with some radioactives as well,?

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WarNerd 9/15/2007 2:27:59 AM

gotta be the oil tanker option then, how about we salt the crude with some radioactives as well,?

Wouldn't be worth it except as a propaganda weapon. Burning crude oil leaves behind a large percentage of material as sticky lumps of unburned asphaltines that would trap and immobilize most of the particles.

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songdongnigh 9/15/2007 9:46:00 AM

I think the next "weapon" may not be a physical breakthrough, but the methodology employed. When triggered by a major attack(s) by al Qaeda or some other actor, many sleeper cells will emerge to carry out an array of attacks, such as suicide bombers, firearms attacks, car bombs, attacks on infrastructure etc. This activity will in turn inspire many “home grown” independents to join the Jihad with whatever means they can devise. While exotic weapons are a possibility, the Jihadi tend to follow the rule of KISS both for economic and technical reasons.

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GOP 9/16/2007 1:11:43 PM

Combination of non-nuke EMP - localized - using conventional design EMG generators scratch built with plastic explosives targeted at the power grid and two or three teams of snipers in the urban areas. The black out would cause mass panic and overload the authorities - the sniper teams would shoot innocent victims at random using jury rigged cars and vans so they cannot be spotted. This could go on for weeks before power is restored.

The dumbest idea in this thread. That simply would not work well.

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Jeff_F_F 9/17/2007 2:01:05 PM

It seems from what little research into non-nuke EMP weapons I've done that actually building one with any significant yeild would be as hard a building a nuke minus the need for explosives. With that kind of commitment of resources, why not simply snipe the ceramic insulators off of all the power lines leading into a city. Much simpler.

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Softwar 9/17/2007 2:35:43 PM

"http://cryptome.org/rfw-jec.htm"

Statement of
Mr. David Schriner

before the

Joint Economic Committee

United States Congress

Wednesday, February 25, 1998

"The Design and Fabrication of a Damage
Inflicting RF Weapon by 'Back Yard' Methods"

It clearly appears, based on testing that has been done as well the information presented at unclassified technical papers and conferences, that the TED would make a good terrorist RF weapon and that, with the proliferation of high technology infrastructure systems that are integral to everyday life in our country, we would be very vulnerable to such systems. It is also clear, because of the extreme cost of repairing all of the vulnerable systems, that until this vulnerability was shown, no one would have much concern or interest in it.

Considerable discussion and innuendo has recently been made concerning the possibility of building a TED source using "back-yard" methods, a Radio Shack Terrorist RF weapon. Such a system would have to have sufficient power to, with some degree of probability, cause detrimental effects to common infrastructure items such as those found in; financial institutions (banks, ATMs, and stores), medical facilities, airport facilities, general transportation items (auto engine controls, ABS, air-bags, etc.), utility facilities (telephone exchanges, power grid controllers), and other infrastructure entities. This type of source is imagined to be what a criminal, terrorist, or prankster could develop or build in a reasonable time, with reasonable tools and materials and with open literature or reference material.

The net result of all of this design, experimentation, fabrication and measurement proves that such a weapon system could be made by anyone with an engineering degree or even a bright technician with good hardware experience. The technical information required can be found in open sources, if not just from good common engineering sense. The materials needed are nothing special and if the effort is made, advanced concepts can be made using everyday hardware such as automotive ignition systems. The testing to date has been very limited but the results of this testing have provided considerable insight to just what is vulnerable in infrastructure systems. This insight and work leads to a firm opinion that a terrorist would have little trouble developing such technology and that he would have a high probability of success in the use as an RF weapon against our infrastructure elements found in any city or near facilities around the country.

Source: "http://www.house.gov/jec/hearings/espionag/schweitz.htm "

Statement by

Lieutenant General Robert L. Schweitzer
U.S. Army (Retired)

before the

Joint Economic Committee
United States Congress

June 17, 1997

Radio Frequency Weapons and the Infrastructure

Some of these weapons are said by the Russians to be now available as a hand grenade, a briefcase-like object, a mortar or artillery round.

It would also appear that there are other proliferation and transfer concerns of interest to this committee, simply because there is so much accurate how-to-do information in the open literature and on the Internet. Several countries have RFW programs and Russia says it has sold some technologies to these countries. At least one of these countries has acknowledged such a transfer. The crux of the difficulty in controlling these transfers is best illustrated by the fact that High Power Microwave weapons look like ordinary radars. With a dish or horn antenna, and a van with a power source, an RFW would look like a new, used or renovated radar. Used ones are offered for sale today in military surplus and commercial catalogs. Other catalogs offer for sale the components to put together lower power, but also very low cost items, that once assembled could be used effectively against the infrastructure.

Users of the new weapons can be criminals, individuals or organized gangs of narco or domestic terrorists--or a determined, organiz

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Softwar 9/17/2007 2:47:04 PM

The dumbest idea in this thread. That simply would not work well.

Two guys in a beat up Ford with one rifle held the entire Metro DC area hostage for weeks.

Now imagime an electric black out on the east coast combined with professional sniper teams located in the metro areas.

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Nanheyangrouchuan 9/17/2007 10:45:24 PM

How about a series of coordinated attacks that let out serial killers and the criminally insane in the US?
And/or bring some in through Mexico.

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Nanheyangrouchuan 9/17/2007 10:46:01 PM

How about a series of coordinated attacks that let out serial killers and the criminally insane in the US? I doubt that the security staff at these places would be able to fend off trained attackers.
And/or bring some in through Mexico.

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GOP 9/17/2007 11:30:37 PM

How about a series of coordinated attacks that let out serial killers and the criminally insane in the US?
And/or bring some in through Mexico.

Man, some of you guys are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out there.

The terrorists preferred method will always be bombs. Not any superduper plot like the one nan mentioned, and not any sniper teams after a EMP attack. None of tht has a high likelyhood of success at all.

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