PM9 vs S&W 340PD

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Nichevo RE:PM9 vs S&W 340PD - DA 6/19/2006 10:24:10 PM

1) How do you like the Glock pattern 9mm Kahr vs their .45? 2) Doesn't Glock make a snubbie like that? Why Kahr (yes, fine name) instead? 3) What bullets and bullet weights do you use (esp in .38/.357?) 4) How do you feel about derringers? Esp. say a 2 shot magnum (maybe .41 Rem Mag) vs. oh, a .32 Seecamp?

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DarthAmerica RE:PM9 vs S&W 340PD - NICHEVO 6/20/2006 1:12:34 AM

1) How do you like the Glock pattern 9mm Kahr vs their .45? Havent got my hands on the new Kahr yet. But I'd love to give it a try. 2) Doesn't Glock make a snubbie like that? Why Kahr (yes, fine name) instead? You are thinking of the G26 or G27. Theres also a G30, which I own, thats sort of small for a 10 rnd .45 ACP. But its freakin heavy and a bit wide. Shoots well though. I choose the Kahr because its much smaller and lighter. I have kinda small hands so single stacks always feel better for me. A lot of people, most who have never had a gunfight, will say they like the extra 4 rounds. I'm like whatever. I mean its a personal choice and to each their own but... I have found out that there is little need for more than 3 to 5 rounds if that if you know how to use a gun. If you dont then you are just prayin and sprayin anyway. DOnt get me wrong, if I was choosing a duty weapon or military sidearm then you have a legit need for all the extra ammo and a full sized weapon. In which case I have several preferences. But for personal defense concealed carry I go with nice subcompact that doesnt limit me with regard to my clothing and is comfortable enough that I actually carry it. Equally important is being able to shoot and operate it with skill. I view these weapons as last resort weapons. As in if I'm in a bank and it gets robbed. I'm going to lay on the floor and do everything I'm told by the robbers. At least until they do something that makes me feel that someone else or myself in imminent grave danger. So IMO out side of someone pointing a gun at me or threatening immediate bodily injury, I'll probably not have to use a weapon again. But if I do, it will be by suprise and with practiced skill that puts a few rounds into the offenders 10 ring or melons before they have time to realise it. For that I only need a small stealthy accurate weapon poweful enough that a hit or two will end the fight if I do my part. 3) What bullets and bullet weights do you use (esp in .38/.357?) CORBON 125 gr for both but +p for the .38 Special. 4) How do you feel about derringers? Esp. say a 2 shot magnum (maybe .41 Rem Mag) vs. oh, a .32 Seecamp? Well like all weapons from ICBMs to AK's they have their place. I dont necessarily dislike them but their small size makes accuracy difficult beyond arms reach and their low power ammo is below my threshold for minimum self defense caliber. But a gun is better than no gun and if for some reason they are the only practical solution for a particular problem then you gotta do what you gotta do. I've carried a TOMCAT and NAA Mini before.

Great guns if you have no other alternatives but I run before presenting one of these weapons if that option was available.

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Nichevo RE:PM9 vs S&W 340PD - Mmm, firearms 6/20/2006 9:54:15 AM

1) Hasn't Kahr had an ACP pattern mini-45 out for a while? (Am I thinking of Detonics maybe?) And the single stack would be a good fit for your hands; you wouldn't begrudge the smaller clip; the knockdown power would combine with unexceptional recoil. I agree a hideout gun need not be loaded on Sunday and fired all week. In fact - derringers; see below... 2) Glock hasn't the wit to make a single stack snubbie? Well, nobody's perfect ;>. 3) Well then you know that 158s would prob. have higher recoil. Trying to remember...might you do well with a flyweight, like a 117gr? All I know is lower bullet mass = lower recoil momentum. And in the short barrel some loadings do better than others, maybe lighter bullets do better...but this is just fractional braindump from an article long ago. It seems you have settled your affairs pretty smartly. 4) Run away, ha ha. Somebody should send James Bond a memo - he did his work for years on .25 ACP (Beretta) then moved to a 7.62 (7.63?) PPK. (My point is not so much that you should be like a fictional secret agent, but that the Euros seem to think stopping power begins at a far more modest level than we do.) Still I agree the Seecamp would be light for most uses, let alone that toy revolver you posted. No, I meant a man's cartridge, two barrels, e.g., link (what is html to post a pic?) but in anything up to a .45-70, a .45/.410, or such insane loadings (perhaps as backup bear/snake medicine, if you don't like to tote a five pound Redhawk along with your longarm). The derringer rationale of course being as a pocket pistol, something to toss into a purse, tuck into a sleeve; something that might evade a casual search or pass concealed at the beach. Naturally a last-ditch implement. But as I always say about specialty items (like the M1 tank), it may be a tuxedo, and you may only wear the tuxedo once or twice a year, but when you need one there is no substitute.

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DarthAmerica RE:PM9 vs S&W 340PD - Mmm, firearms 6/20/2006 10:10:00 AM

1. Nah Kahrs .45 just came out. Its not much bigger than the K9 which is saying a lot. 2. Glock has a single stack compact called the G36. Still a bit blocky and heavy IMO. 3. Cant use 117gr., minimum bullet weight is 120gr or more and thats stamped on the barrel. I like the 125gr though. There is a federal low recoil 130gr .357 mag I'll try out again later or next week though. 4. James Bond is entertaining, but thats all it is. People usually dont get hit once with a pistol caliber and fall over dead. But for a intelligence officer who had a requirement to carry a firearm I could understand carrying a mouse gun for concealment. But I doubt a real agent would find occation to use it as often as James!

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Horsesoldier RE:PM9 vs S&W 340PD - Mmm, firearms 6/20/2006 3:01:36 PM

>>2) Glock hasn't the wit to make a single stack snubbie? Well, nobody's perfect ;>. << Like DarthAmerica said, Glock does have the G36, a super compact, single-stack .45, but it still has that wide Glock slide on it. I'd say it is a better concealed carry option than most of their pistols (wide slide and excessive grip width as well, due to the use of plastic magazines, hurt all their other designs, no matter how much they chop off the grip and barrel) -- but I'd still say things like the Kahr are superior weapons for concealed carry, in my opinion. Before anyone gets their blood pressure up, allow me to add that for open carry, or "I don't really care who knows I'm carrying but it's under my shirt so the soccer moms don't freak out" sort of concealed carry, Glocks are pretty good pistols. Not my personal cup of tea (the Glock grip angle, among other things), but mechanically reliable, combat-pistol accurate, etc.

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DarthAmerica RE:PM9 vs S&W 340PD - Mmm, firearms - HS 6/20/2006 3:13:23 PM

Glocks are among my favorites actually. But I prefer their compact Glock 19 due to my hands, its big enough for open carry yet can still be easily concealed, has loads of firepower, tons of accessories and the ammo is common with a lot of my other weapons. Its almost a perfect multirole handgun right out of the box. If Glock would make a Scandium version then it would be perfect...;)

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Nichevo RE:PM9 vs S&W 340PD - Mmm, James Bond 6/20/2006 7:09:03 PM

While I am a fan I will not get into any 007 issues except to note that he was a crack shot and, of course, assassins go down the caliber chart even to the .22 Short. Stopping power is not so much the issue if your core competency is being able to hit a man in the eye at ten feet. However, in general, Europeans think a .38 is an elephant gun - their notions of stopping power are much meeker than ours - and a .45 is simply typical American overkill. They regard a .32 as a fully appropriate police round, IIRC. (Note that before the .38 Special many US police departments put their faith in the .32 - I believe 'cocaine-crazed Negroes' had something to do with it, like the hopped-up Filipino 'juramentados' pushing the Army fron the .38 Long Colt to the .45) Or is this outdated? I certainly understood this WAS the case. And of course their police philosophy might involve trying to merely wound people, recalling them to their civic duty, rather than actually MAKING them do anything like surrender. But please, any Euros chime in on caliber selection, esp. historic vs. modern (I assume now the 9mm goes for everything). Good luck with the bullet selection. Have you considered porting the barrel, or would you lose too much velocity?

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Nichevo RE:PM9 vs S&W 340PD - Mmm, firearms - HS 6/20/2006 7:10:27 PM

Scandium? Isn't that failing in the S&W frames?

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Nichevo RE:PM9 vs S&W 340PD - Speaking of James Bond 6/20/2006 7:19:47 PM

Your choice is very reminiscent of the trip Major Boothroys laid down on Bond when M demanded his Beretta after it jammed once too often. Bond was given the Walther PPK and the S&W Centennial Airweight as replacements. I should excerpt the relevant section here, will do so if it would amuse you.

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DarthAmerica RE:PM9 vs S&W 340PD - Nichevo 6/20/2006 7:39:52 PM

"Scandium? Isn't that failing in the S&W frames?" Says who? What official data do you have to that effect? This isnt really a theoretical post so I'd like to verify post to the extent possible with first hand experience or links if at all possible.

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