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Subject: Glock 37/.45 GAP
longrifle    1/10/2006 12:22:02 AM
Defense Review says the Marine Corps purchased 10,000 of them last summer. Some of the criticizms leveled against the .45 GAP is that it's a solution in search of a problem, that it's a gimmck round that Glock is marketing just for further name recognition, and who knows if the ammo will be available 10 years from know. Now that the Marine Corps, as well as several larger PD's (Denver for one), have bought it, it the round here to stay? Anyone think the Army will follow suit?
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:Glock 37/.45 GAP   1/10/2006 10:03:58 AM
>>Defense Review says the Marine Corps purchased 10,000 of them last summer.<< Defense Review subsequently retracted their story: http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=474 "DefRev must retract our story, "USMC Purchases 10,000 Glock 37 Pistols (.45 GAP)". We now believe the intel we received to have been inaccurate. Our sources at Glock and (USMC) MARCORSYSCOM Infantry Weapons Systems have reported that they have no knowledge of any bulk Glock 37 purchase made by USMC. We should have checked with both of those sources first, before running with the story." >>Some of the criticizms leveled against the .45 GAP is that it's a solution in search of a problem, that it's a gimmck round that Glock is marketing just for further name recognition, and who knows if the ammo will be available 10 years from know.<< Shorter overall length compared to 45 ACP means people with smaller hands can more readily use a 45 GAP chambered pistol featuring a double-stack magazine, while it still delivers close to 45 ACP ballistic performance. It's not a round built for me (I've got big hand and handle a Glock 21 or HK USP 45 just fine), but I would think a lot of people with smaller hands who want that .45 caliber hole with more than 6-7 rounds in the mag would be all over it. >>Now that the Marine Corps, as well as several larger PD's (Denver for one), have bought it, it the round here to stay? Anyone think the Army will follow suit? << I would think 45 GAP is here to stay, probably wille even do better than 357 Sig as a niche sort of round. The Army won't be procuring it any time soon, though. The next pistol we buy (hopefully the new HK 45) will be in 45 ACP, a decision that was made over a year ago.
 
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lrsrng    RE:Glock 37/.45 GAP   1/10/2006 6:13:01 PM
15 years ago Smith&Wesson had 67% of the police market.Glock now has 59% of the police market because of its bulk purchase priceing.They almost give the guns at cost.40 cal. is my preferred round.I do not see anything larger takeing off in the police market.
 
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longrifle    RE:Glock 37/.45 GAP   1/10/2006 8:27:58 PM
>>15 years ago Smith&Wesson had 67% of the police market.Glock now has 59% of the police market because of its bulk purchase priceing.They almost give the guns at cost.40 cal. is my preferred round.I do not see anything larger takeing off in the police market.<< I'm satisfied with my Glock 22/.40 as well, but our department is buying new postols this year and the choice was made (at a level above me!) to buy the Glock 37/.45 GAP. Evidently we've got a limp wrist or two (LOL) that thinks the .40 has a little "snap" to it. Denver is using the same combo. One good thing about this though. I get to buy my current duty pistol for $250.00. $50.00 held out of each check until paid for, not a bad deal even if mine is showing some holster wear. I may send it to ROBAR for a re-finish.
 
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longrifle    Defense Review retracts.   1/10/2006 8:31:01 PM
>>Defense Review subsequently retracted their story<< I hadn't heard about that, thanks for the update.
 
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lrsrng    RE:Glock 37/.45 GAP   1/11/2006 10:05:48 AM
I started out with the S/W 5906 which I loved we also went to the Glock.I like the 40.cal round but would prefer a S/W.At 600-900 dollars a pop will never get them.
 
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BasinBictory    RE:Glock 37/.45 GAP   1/13/2006 7:48:34 PM
>>Evidently we've got a limp wrist or two (LOL) that thinks the .40 has a little "snap" to it.<< If that were the case, wouldn't the .45GAP be even snappier? The .45GAP might become more mainstream once other gun manufacturers start chambering their guns for it, most notably the 1911. If the ammo can be had for about the same price as .45ACP or even cheaper, you'll see widespread conversion of the hordes of 1911 afficionados to the .45GAP. If the price (and availability) of the ammo is more like .357SIG, .38Super, .32Auto, 10mm, etc., then it's destined for niche success, at best.
 
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longrifle    RE:Glock 37/.45 GAP   1/14/2006 10:33:14 AM
>>Evidently we've got a limp wrist or two (LOL) that thinks the .40 has a little "snap" to it.<< "If that were the case, wouldn't the .45GAP be even snappier?" No. From my understanding it's supposed to operate at the same velocities as the .45 ACP with similar bullet weights. Maybe I'm not giving a good analogy, but to me the recoil of the .40 S&W has more of a "snap," the .45 ACP more of a "push." A .45/230gr. leaves the muzzle at about 850fps. A .40/180gr. is closing in on 1000fps, it will actually range from the mid to upper 900's depending on the brand of ammo.
 
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BasinBictory    RE:Glock 37/.45 GAP   1/16/2006 1:16:13 AM
longrifle, thanks for clearing that up. I've not gotten a chance to shoot a .40, but I wonder if it may also have to do with the relative weights of the guns involved. I have a full-sized 1911 in .45ACP, and quite honestly, it's my most comfortable gun to shoot except for some .22's I've got. The dang thing is so heavy that it just soaks up recoil. I've shot a .38 snubbie, and I can tell you, even with that "wimpy" round, shooting a snubbie is about as pleasant as a kick in the balls.
 
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longrifle    .38 snubbie   1/16/2006 7:02:45 AM
"I've shot a .38 snubbie, and I can tell you, even with that "wimpy" round, shooting a snubbie is about as pleasant as a kick in the balls." Yeah, but I still won't go to town without my "little buddy!"
 
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BasinBictory    RE:.38 snubbie   1/16/2006 7:27:28 AM
Hey, I hear ya. A .22 in the pocket beats a 12-gauge at home. I like my Makarov for that role. Small, flat, 8 rounds versus 5, and I can actually hit with it beyond 10 yards.
 
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