stg44 vs M1 Carbine

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towgunner1960 RE:M1 carbine 1/24/2006 10:25:07 PM

Hot pistol rounds are in the 1400 fps category. The m1 clocks along at around 2000 fps, which definetly puts it in the intermediate range. I own an M1 carbine and realize that it is not fully auto. Our department used to have 6 m2's, that I shot quite frequently. It is an assault rifle. I read somewhere that if we would have spruced the round up a little, we could have had an assault rifle 20 years before we did. I don't know why there weren't updated versions of the rifle and round made. It is one of the fastest handling, lightest recoiling rifles I've ever shot and an updated version would be an almost perfect police and infantry weapon.

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Horsesoldier RE:Horsesoldier 1/25/2006 10:06:52 AM

>>The .30 Carbine round is a round nosed, straight walled round,<< Yep, that's them, though the round actually has a slight taper to it, and slightly exceeds the case length and overall length of .357 magnum. Concerning the round nose, it shares this feature with early marks of .303, the 'J' series 7.92mm Mauser round, and US 30-03 caliber, to name a few. Definitely not something I'd take instead of a spitzer round, but not something that prevents it doing the job inside 300 meters. >>a little bit beefier than .357 magnum. It is a pistol round, not an intermediate round.<< I've posted the relative statistics before, the short version of the story being that 30 carbine from an 18" barrel develops about twice as much muzzle energy as a 357 magnum round, with a somewhat superior ballistic coefficient, as well, if I'm not mistaken.

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ChdNorm RE:M1 carbine 1/27/2006 3:11:47 PM

"Hot pistol rounds are in the 1400 fps category. The m1 clocks along at around 2000 fps, which definetly puts it in the intermediate range. I own an M1 carbine and realize that it is not fully auto. Our department used to have 6 m2's, that I shot quite frequently. It is an assault rifle." TowGunner Wait .. not all have bayonet lugs, pistol grips, or flash-hiders. Hell, they arent even all black! We had a few M-2s in our armory too (yalls didnt have wierd wood verticle forearms that looked kind of like cut down 28A1' Thompson grips did they? Ours did, and were supposedly delivered that way as surplus in the 60's). All of ours lacked the M-2 magazine catch, so all that would reliably feed were the 15 rounders. Talk about ripping thru a mag in no time flat!

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KaeseEs RE:M1 carbine as proto-assault rifle 1/28/2006 9:09:34 PM

I have to disagree with the classification of the .30 Carbine as an intermediate round. It powers a 110-grain bullet to ~1900 fps from an 18" barrel and a locked breech. The .357 Magnum, indisputably a pistol round, clocks about 1400 fps with a 110-grain bullet from a 6" barrel and an open breech. When fired from a firearm with a 16.5" barrel and a locked breech (such as one of the splendid Marlin carbines), the .357 does about 1800 fps. This is clearly in the same league as the .30 Carbine. As an aside, I recall that, a few years back, Ruger chambered one of its revolvers (I think the Redhawk) in .30 carbine, with moderate success.

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