Pakistan's G3A3 7.62MM is better than the U.S.A M16 5.56MM in alot of ways

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Schackleford RE:Pakistan's G3A3 7.62MM is better than the U.S.A M16 5.56MM in alot of ways 10/3/2005 3:28:18 AM

First of, the G3A3 is german, not pakistani. Pakistan couldn't engineer a decent weapon if it's life depended on it. Secondly, the US Army, and the rest of NATO for that matter, did once use 7,62 mm assault rifles(M14, G3, FN-FAL SIG SG-510). They stopped doing that for a number of reasons, including: 1. The 7,62 mm is too heavy. 2. It has too much recoil. 3. Infantry engagements typically take place at less then 200 meters, so the additional range of the 7,62 mm is not needed. 4. There is plenty of punch in the 5,56 mm especially the much improved SS109 M855 bullets that are now standard-issue. To sum up, The G3A3 was not a bad weapon in it's day, but this is the 21st century. G3A3, as well as M14 and FN-FAL are considered obsolete by any modern military.

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flamingknives RE:Pakistan's G3A3 7.62MM is better than the U.S.A M16 5.56MM in alot of ways 10/3/2005 1:38:02 PM

Since, in common usage, an assault rifle is a select-fire rifle firing an intermediate cartridge, the G3 is not an assault rifle at all. An M82 has better range and a greater 'punch' than a G3, but that hardly makes it anything less than a heavy sniping weapon.

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G3A3 7.62mm RE:Pakistan's G3A3 7.62MM is better than the U.S.A M16 5.56MM in alot of ways 10/3/2005 1:54:31 PM

I know the G3 is german and in pakistan and india infantry engaments take place more than 200 meters so for pakistan the G3 is a good firearm and also the G3 is not obsolete the M16 is obsolete compared to the G3 the G3 has a range of up to 3000 yards and has a fire rate of up to 700 rounds a minute I dont think the M16 can beat that.

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Horsesoldier RE:Pakistan's G3A3 7.62MM is better than the U.S.A M16 5.56MM in alot of ways 10/3/2005 3:10:13 PM

>>I know the G3 is german and in pakistan and india infantry engaments take place more than 200 meters so for pakistan the G3 is a good firearm<< Nope. 95% of infantry engagements take place within 300 meters -- this is not because of some differential in marksmanship training, but because the human eye has great difficulty even acquiring a fleeting, camouflaged target at 300 meters. That's a species-specific, not culture-specific, limitation. >>and also the G3 is not obsolete the M16 is obsolete compared to the G3 the G3 has a range of up to 3000 yards and has a fire rate of up to 700 rounds a minute I dont think the M16 can beat that.<< A) If the G3 is not obsolete is it not ironic that just about everyone who previously used the G3, and who can afford a replacement, have chucked it in favor of a 5.56mm rifle? B) Cyclic rate of fire means nothing whatsoever. 700 rpm would be too fast in a 5.56mm weapon for good control, and is completely uncontrollable in a 7.62mm weapon. C) 3000m may be the maximum range at which a 7.62x51mm round may strike a target with sufficient force to cause injury . . . but it certainly is not a range you can effectively engage a target at with a G3 (or, for that matter, even detect a target smaller than a building).

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G3A3 7.62mm RE:Pakistan's G3A3 7.62MM is better than the U.S.A M16 5.56MM in alot of ways 10/3/2005 7:44:14 PM

You are wrong alot of country's still use the G3 because it is a dependble weapon it will never stop working it is very accurate more accuarte then the M16 and another reason why the pakistani army uses it is because it can be modified in a sniper rifle. Which makes it more deadly.

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Schackleford RE:Pakistan's G3A3 7.62MM is better than the U.S.A M16 5.56MM in alot of ways 10/4/2005 8:44:11 AM

"You are wrong alot (sic) of country's (sic) still use the G3 because it is a dependble (sic9 weapon it will never stop working it is very accurate more accuarte(sic) then the M16 and another reason why the pakistani army (sic) uses(sic) it is (sic) because it can be modified in (sic) a sniper rifle. Which makes it more deadly." Yes, a lot of countries still use the G3. BECAUSE THEY CAN'T AFFORD A DECENT, MODERN WEAPON!!! The G3 is not exceptionally reliable (by western standards). We produce a lot of great weapons. As for the G3 being "modified into a sniper rifle": Not exactly. Sounds to me like you're wasting a lot on money slapping scopes on top of a rifle. This does offer some improvement in accuracy, though. WHICH IS WHY MOST MODERN NATIONS ISSUES SCOPES TO EVERY LAST RIFFLEMAN. That right, every rifleman is in a real military has a scope of some sort to help him shoot better. In a modern military, snipers are issued custom-made quality long-range high-accuracy rifles and are trained in how to use them properly. Slapping some scope on top of an old assault rifle, issuing it to some rookie and then go about calling him sniper is laughable. Such a Pakistani "sniper" wouldn't be worthy of being in the same room as a NATO sniper.

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Horsesoldier RE:Pakistan's G3A3 7.62MM is better than the U.S.A M16 5.56MM in alot of ways 10/4/2005 10:43:47 AM

>>You are wrong alot of country's still use the G3 because it is a dependble weapon<< Like I said. Anyone who can afford a more modern weapon has one. >>it will never stop working<< I bet I can prove you wrong -- with any weapon, not just the G3. >>it is very accurate more accuarte then the M16<< No more accurate than the M16, since both weapons out of the box outperform the shooter. 7.62x51mm has longer range (in theory), but that doesn't matter at normal combat ranges. 7.62x51mm also takes more energy downrange, but at the cost of greatly increased weight. >>and another reason why the pakistani army uses it is because it can be modified in a sniper rifle. Which makes it more deadly.<< Semi-automatic sniper rifles are not especially impressive, but there's a sniper version of the M16 family as well, for whatever that is worth.

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G3A3 7.62mm RE:Pakistan's G3A3 7.62MM is better than the U.S.A M16 5.56MM in alot of ways 10/4/2005 4:37:29 PM

Pakistan can afford modern firearms by 2007 pakistan will be producing G36C for the pakistani army this weapon uses the 5.56mm ammunition but overall the G3A3 is a great weapon it will never stop firing it will fire in all sorts of envoriment without getting jammed. Till 2007 the Pakistani army will use the G3A3 until they are replaced with G36C or the FAMAS G2 but the army is probably going to reject the FAMAS G2 because of its bullup design and probaly use the G36C. The pakistan elite SSG COMMANDOS are already using G36C and the MP5 A2. They are one of the best trained and equipped special forces in the world.

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flamingknives RE:Pakistan's G3A3 7.62MM is better than the U.S.A M16 5.56MM in alot of ways 10/4/2005 4:51:33 PM

G36C? A bit on the short side for a military assault rifle. Especially if you're touting the G3 as being so good for it's range. Are you sure that you don't mean G36E? Speaking of range... The G3 is pretty good for reliability, but I think that the FN FAL and the Kalashnikovs have got it beaten there. The new H&K modification for the M4/M16 is pretty good on that front too. Speaking of H&K, are they really supplying G36s to Pakistan? - it goes against the German Government's ruling about selling into a potential conflict area.

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Schackleford RE:Pakistan's G3A3 7.62MM is better than the U.S.A M16 5.56MM in alot of ways 10/5/2005 9:09:05 AM

"Pakistan can afford modern firearms by 2007 pakistan will be producing G36C for the pakistani army this weapon uses the 5.56mm ammunition but overall the G3A3 is a great weapon it will never stop firing it will fire in all sorts of envoriment without getting jammed. Till 2007 the Pakistani army will use the G3A3 until they are replaced with G36C or the FAMAS G2 but the army is probably going to reject the FAMAS G2 because of its bullup design and probaly use the G36C. The pakistan elite SSG COMMANDOS are already using G36C and the MP5 A2. They are one of the best trained and equipped special forces in the world." Hmm, news to me. The G36C is an assault CARBINE lacking the range of an assault rifle. But if production firsts starts in 2007 it will be years(decades?) before every front line soldier has one. And by that time NATO armies will probably be issuing laser rifles or something much more advanced. As for the Pakistani special forces being so super, please. Western special forces like Green Berets, Delta Force, SAS, GIGN, SEAL (to name a few) are trained to a degree of training unheard of in Southeast Asia. And weaponry and equipment: G36C and MP5. Wow, i'm impressed. The MP5 has been standard issue in countless police forces, special forces and militaries across Europe and North America for decades. The G36C is comparable to a Colt M4 likewise standard issue for decades. What recent operation can you point to that proves the superiority of Pakistani special forces?

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G3A3 7.62mm RE:Pakistan's G3A3 7.62MM is better than the U.S.A M16 5.56MM in alot of ways 10/5/2005 12:07:34 PM

Pakistani special forces have tained and done excrises with SAS and navy seals before . And you mis understood me I didnot say they are the best I said they are in the top ten special forces. They havent had a recent operation since 1996. And i dont know all the details about it other than that it was a hostage situtation by afghans where a VIP was taken prisoner.

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Schackleford RE:Pakistan's G3A3 7.62MM is better than the U.S.A M16 5.56MM in alot of ways 10/5/2005 2:20:20 PM

This really does sound interesting. No, really. Here in Denmark, our higly capable and highly accredited special forces were pretty much founded and trained by US Navy SEAL and SAS. You wouldn't happen to have a link on that? It's always interesting to learn more about other countries military actions.

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Horsesoldier RE:Pakistan's G3A3 7.62MM is better than the U.S.A M16 5.56MM in alot of ways 10/5/2005 6:26:32 PM

>>Pakistan can afford modern firearms by 2007 pakistan will be producing G36C for the pakistani army this weapon uses the 5.56mm ammunition but overall the G3A3 is a great weapon it will never stop firing it will fire in all sorts of envoriment without getting jammed.<< Well, there you go. Pakistan is ditching it for a 5.56mm rifle using an operating system that is completely different (and considered superior to) that used by the G3 . . .

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Schackleford G3A3 7.62MM has been banned 10/9/2005 2:07:43 PM

According to the Pakistan board, G3A3 has been banned from the board because of hateful speech about Indians. Guess we'll never learn precisely why Pakistan has the world's best equipped army... :-)

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PeregrinePike RE:G3A3 7.62MM has been banned 10/11/2005 10:52:43 AM

Shackleford: Just something you may find an interesting... In one sense Pakistan (or the land that became Pakistan) was the "inspirational" founding ground of British Special Air Service (and they helped Delta a bit?) The old British Indian Army had two special units that were not directly under the Bengal Army (under whose command all other units in that region fell). One was the Corps of Guides, and another was Punjab Field Force "Piffers". The Corps of Guides is considered the "spiritual father of SAS" because of the way it was organized and run. Three British officers and a medical officer (usually also British) alone commanded an entire battalion. This meant that most men went on to lead brigade level forces at least -- a precursor to Green Beret's "Every man a general" theme. As a "Corp" it also had its own battery of mountain light artillery, at atleast one support squadron of cavalry -- talk about precursor to CAS. Their politically sensitive role was apparent in that even though most of its recruits came from Muslim frontier peoples, it never deployed without a squadron of Hindu or Sikh cavalry cover (which usually had about 11 Brits at hand) Also from their vocabulary you find words that have become symbolic of Special Forces: "Khaki" from Urdu word for dirt, and Sam Browne belt (he was one of its officers). ------------------------------------------------------- AFAIK Corps of Guides was inherited by Pakistan after Independence, as were most of "Piffers", except the 5th Gurkhas who as Hindus went on to become India's Special Frontier Force's Indian component (other being Tibetan refugee). Also various Sikh units were simply absorbed into the Regiment. Under Pakistan the infantry units of the Corps were disbanded, and the Guides turned into a full armored cavalry regiment.

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