Mr. Picky would like to point out that the Bundeswehr never operated the FN FAL. Although the Germans trialled the FAL, the Belgians were, for some reasons, reticent about selling arms to their neighbours at that point. So the Germans developed the G3 themselves. 

As far as I know was the FAL the standard weapon of the new German Army at the end of the 50s for a few years.

It was also in use even for a longer time with the German border troops. The restriction that applied to the FN FAL was that Germany was not allowed to "produce" it on licence basis themselves. This restriction was the reason to develop a weapon which could be produced in Germany in the future based on the StG 44/45.

Germany used the G1, but was refused the license to produce it themselves. Enter Herr Vorgrimmler. Of course the FAL is more pricey than the G3. Milled reciever vs. stamped metal junk. I still don't understand why everybody getrs their panties up in a bunch for anything with an HK rollmark.

 

Cato

Le Corsaire,

I was under the impression that the LE and Armee Terre used the AA52 as their GPMG. Does the 2me REP have a different TO&E from regular Army parachute rgts.

 

Thank you,

Cato

Pointblank, I have been over to your region, and safe it is for me to say, I was not taught to fight like a real man by the locals of that area. It was more a case of me and a few fellows giving them a helping hand, however, that's enough on that subject, and I shall dwell no further on it.
As for 'fighting' [such a misrepresenting word... I'd prefer performing] with knives and stones... silly people fight with stones, and knives are best left for practical uses [such as bushcraft and cutting food].

You should also learn to be more objective in what you right, as bias shines through the darkest sheet. Just because NATO writes it, doesn't make it so... just because targets in a raid are killed, doesn't make it any less of success than if they were not [circumstances and opponents rarely give chance to catching them alive]... just because mountains in your neck of the woods are higher, doesn't make Pakistan SF any greater than the rest [I could counter with the argument that America has a longer coast and being that SEALs are primarily maritime oriented [well they were in my day] they are a better SF group... you see how ridiculous such an argument is]... I know of a vast array of times when Danish SF have performed superbly, in my eyes, they are a very respectable force... what you have failed to understand is that the general public will only ever hear of a very small percentage of SF operations [whether successful or not] for varying reasons. To enlighten this point for you, you have likely heard that the regiment [SAS, if you're not sure what I mean] performed actions in Oman, yet you will never know every individual operation that took place in that theatre.

and finally to sum this very long and tiresome thread, capturing enemies alive is not a real test for special forces. Were it so, more attention would be paid to training men in subdueing and arresting methods and equiptment would comprise of less than lethal weapons... yet as clear as the grass grows green, 'tis not so.

Yup and legend has it, the Belgians were less than polite to the German request for production rights.

But the Germans got the interim solution from Cetme of Spain. They also recalled Mr Heckler and Mr Koch ( I think they were in Spain at that time) who were producing sewing machines during the post war years.

The HK G3 is supposed to be cheaper to produce than the FN-FAL, (but the Euro prices for it has sky rocketed) and now quite a few people have mentioned that the FN-FAL is more reliable than the G3. Anyone with experience can confirm this???

 

G3 should be significantly cheaper to produce than the FAL, being stamped versus the FAL's receiver which requires extensive milling to manufacture.

 

As for reliability, I haven't treated either design badly enough to really have a solid opinion on how they operate under conditions that would really try reliability.  I think both will work.  G3 does give the shoulder a rather smarter tap from recoil than a properly dialed in FAL, though, for what that's worth. 

damn, nasty german..!

that guy is UGLY!

thats a face for radio  :/

Pakistan is just 60 years old, they have established a lot so has Indi, however U.S.A and others has done after 100 years, e.g. nuclear...

U.S.A has done nothing but experimenting their weapons on poor countries, people who have no comparable weapons, e.g. olden days they use to fight with red Indian with guns when red Indian use to use arrows and spears, than Afghanistan with hardly a tank or air force, than Iraq again no trained army no air force no navy and so on... in world war they couldn?t handle their enemy so they cowardly used nuclear (little boy, big boy).

They can?t even find Bin-Ladin what a freaking advance technology. And they need Pakistani help to deal with Talban and other dam ass...

Pakistan never fought with a country that is smaller than them. For e.g. pak army 600,000, Indian 1100,000 still we won one war, because we dare. About guns it doesn?t matter what it is, its all about the person who is using it. I have been racing car with 5 litters, won some lost some when i have 2 litter car, it?s all about you and how expert you are.

U.S.A doesn?t dare anything without the help of our country (United Kingdom), our soldiers are dying every day in Iraq because they were so afraid of Iraq and afghan.

Little Big Horn. 

 

Learn a little history. You expect me to know your history before I comment. I demand that you know mine.

 

Herald