Pakistani special forces have tained and done excrises with SAS and navy seals before . And you mis understood me I didnot say they are the best I said they are in the top ten special forces. They havent had a recent operation since 1996. And i dont know all the details about it other than that it was a hostage situtation by afghans where a VIP was taken prisoner.

This really does sound interesting. No, really. Here in Denmark, our higly capable and highly accredited special forces were pretty much founded and trained by US Navy SEAL and SAS. You wouldn't happen to have a link on that? It's always interesting to learn more about other countries military actions.

>>Pakistan can afford modern firearms by 2007 pakistan will be producing G36C for the pakistani army this weapon uses the 5.56mm ammunition but overall the G3A3 is a great weapon it will never stop firing it will fire in all sorts of envoriment without getting jammed.<< Well, there you go. Pakistan is ditching it for a 5.56mm rifle using an operating system that is completely different (and considered superior to) that used by the G3 . . .

According to the Pakistan board, G3A3 has been banned from the board because of hateful speech about Indians. Guess we'll never learn precisely why Pakistan has the world's best equipped army... :-)

Shackleford: Just something you may find an interesting... In one sense Pakistan (or the land that became Pakistan) was the "inspirational" founding ground of British Special Air Service (and they helped Delta a bit?) The old British Indian Army had two special units that were not directly under the Bengal Army (under whose command all other units in that region fell). One was the Corps of Guides, and another was Punjab Field Force "Piffers". The Corps of Guides is considered the "spiritual father of SAS" because of the way it was organized and run. Three British officers and a medical officer (usually also British) alone commanded an entire battalion. This meant that most men went on to lead brigade level forces at least -- a precursor to Green Beret's "Every man a general" theme. As a "Corp" it also had its own battery of mountain light artillery, at atleast one support squadron of cavalry -- talk about precursor to CAS. Their politically sensitive role was apparent in that even though most of its recruits came from Muslim frontier peoples, it never deployed without a squadron of Hindu or Sikh cavalry cover (which usually had about 11 Brits at hand) Also from their vocabulary you find words that have become symbolic of Special Forces: "Khaki" from Urdu word for dirt, and Sam Browne belt (he was one of its officers). ------------------------------------------------------- AFAIK Corps of Guides was inherited by Pakistan after Independence, as were most of "Piffers", except the 5th Gurkhas who as Hindus went on to become India's Special Frontier Force's Indian component (other being Tibetan refugee). Also various Sikh units were simply absorbed into the Regiment. Under Pakistan the infantry units of the Corps were disbanded, and the Guides turned into a full armored cavalry regiment.

As far as G3s in Pak army are concerned, they are never carried by any self-respecting jihadi who crosses the border. Usually we find various combinations of AKs, occassional FAL stolen from India, Afghan .303 Enfields (better than original for marksmanship, and a prize find for some police officers), and a German machine-gun (Hk-21???) model thats standard issue for Pakis.

The G3A3 is a good weapon (notice, I am not saying Assault Rifle), but saying it is better than the M-16 or M-4 is a stretch. US troops usually have a red dot scope and a flashlight on our M-16's and M4's, wheareas the great G3A3 does not. My point is, the M-16 is equally reliable, but more modular, more accurate, lighter, and can be fitted with a M203. The G3 was state of the art in the 1970's, but it is not as effective as the M-16 or M4 due to it's large size and basic furniture. It is better than the AK047, though

the g3 can have a scope attached on it and it is more accurate than the m-16 and the m-4 it also has better range . the g3 is also very reliable. IT is heavy but the extra weight is worth it. I have fired the m16 it is not as good as the g3. I am in the pakistan army my rank is CAPTAIN.

>>the g3 can have a scope attached on it and it is more accurate than the m-16 and the m-4 it also has better range .<< Welcome back, G3A3. >>the g3 is also very reliable. IT is heavy but the extra weight is worth it. I have fired the m16 it is not as good as the g3. I am in the pakistan army my rank is CAPTAIN.<< Obviously as a captain, you've never had to drag said G3 over hill, dale, mountains, etc, if you think the extra weight is worth it . . .

"the g3 can have a scope attached on it and it is more accurate than the m-16 and the m-4 it also has better range" We've been over this already. Read the replies from other's as well and you'll know that: Most Western armies issues some sort of scope to their grunts. Let's take as example a weapon that I personally can okay for you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diemaco_C7 http://www.world.guns.ru/assault/as44-e.htm Now there's one fine modern assault rifle. I'll wager you a crate of beer that any Danish soldier can shoot better with this marvel then a Pakistani draftee with his ancient G3. As far as range is concerned, I'll just repeat what has already been said: WE DO NOT NEED THAT EXTRA RANGE. Read that sentence twice to be sure you got it. Infantry combat takes place at 200 meters or less, which is well within the range of either a M16 or M4. In the rare event that you need more range or firepower then a M16 provides, you call upon a light machinegun or a designated marksman, who are plentiful and should be able to cut down the enemy with pin point accuracy at ranges up to and including 800 meters. By the way, in Denmark we kept our stocks of G3's from 1975 to a least 2003. We had to stop using them because they started to break down and fall apart in the field due to a quarter century of use. Is the Pakistani Army's G3's in any better condition? I doubt it...