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Subject: stun weapons
andyf    6/18/2004 11:43:19 AM
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looks like its time to set the phasers
 
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blacksmith    RE:stun weapons   6/19/2004 2:23:10 AM
Hmmm. Does the presence of non-lethal weapons increase the likelihood of lazy cops shooting first and asking questions later because its easier than doing proper police work? I am old enough to remember when cops knocked on the door to serve a warrant. Now, they blow through the door, well, like stormtroopers. All dressed in black with masks on like any bad guy. There was a case a few years back where the cops stormtrooped a house on a search warrant. A bunch of cops ran into the bedroom and when the occupant, who had been sleeping soundly tried to get up to see what the heck was happening, they put 19 bullets into him. Wrong house. Oops. So with non-lethal stun weapons, should I accept as my right and privilege as an American, that I can be walking down the street and then wake up staring at the sky because some cop wanted to see my papers? Yes, I exaggerate the case. I normally fit somewhere between the fascists and the air-head civil libertarians. But non-lethal weapons can be abused just like lethal ones. And the fact that the consequences are less drastic increases the likelihood.
 
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MattZone    RE:stun weapons   6/19/2004 8:32:10 PM
I totally agree with your point, Blacksmith. I member of my family has been a police chief for 20+ years and knows how important it is to strictly regulate ANY use of force, lethal or otherwise, and to train the officers appropriately. 2-3 years ago, a police department in a small town about 40 miles from where he worked had nearly all of its officers terminated because they threw in 3 canisters of tear gas into a house party to break it up and 40-50 people got very sick and several were in the hospital for extended periods.
 
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Strangelove    RE:stun weapons   6/23/2004 3:42:45 AM
I agree with the previous two posts: I believe that an increasing availability of less-than-lethal weapons may be a great threat to our civil rights in the U.S. and lead to greater, not less, repression of civil liberties worldwide. I take most of my argument from one made in "War and AntiWar", by Toffler, which I read years ago. The authors argue that terrible consequences arise from a dictator or authority figure using violence to quell any civil disturbance. Think kent state. But if the same results can be had (breaking up the mob, sending everyone home) w/o permanent damage, it gets MUCH less attention, both domestically and worldwide. Who cares if you put skunk stink on all those college kids protesting the war? Its actually funny, to think about it, and they'll go home and wash in tomato juice while their peers bathe in blood overseas, but no one hears about it, or cares.
 
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Crosshair    Time to wear the tin foil   7/26/2004 2:57:19 AM
I may be oversimplifying this. If the electrical charge is sent through the air, to the person, and through the ground, it would seem that you just have to wear metal cleats and dress in tinfoil to defeat this system. It would also be interesting to see this used on cars. Killing the power steering and brakes is the LAST thing you want to do in a high speed chase. If the driver hapened to be a senile old guy with a pacemaker, a negative public relations situation could ensue. Since we are talking about energy weapons, how about friendly fire. What if the beam somehow glances off and hits a friendly car, an inocent byestander, that news helicopter 500 feet in the air, that 777 with 500 people in it. That last one reminds me of the trash compactor scene in Star Wars. They sure learned quick that blasters where not a good choice in that situation.
 
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andyf    RE:Time to wear the tin foil   8/8/2004 8:07:07 PM
ths surface effect < i think thats what its called> would occur- its the same stuff that means a lightning hit isnt usually fatal to a metal aircraft. so the occupants of a zapped car shouldnt be effected. I think that due to the effects of the weapon the first thing the laser hit would get the charge dumped into it, so i dont think it could 'ricochet' the main worry is that if its reasonably safe they WILL use it, before bothering with any other approach- probably because itl be 'fun'
 
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