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Subject: The XM8, why??
mudshark    4/2/2004 11:02:10 AM
America is spending lots of cash on the XM8 which is essentially a G36 as far as I can see. Why didn?t they go with the G36? Reliability and longevity are probably the main justifications for a new rifle. But the G36 has all that, so if some clever chap can enlighten me I will stop scratching my head like a confused chimp.
 
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towgunner1960    RE: XM 8 sidearms   9/17/2004 7:57:27 PM
If the Glock would have been more well known or more widely distributed when they adopted the Beretta, the Glock would be our standard sidearm. It is superior in every way to the Beretta, reliability, durability. It is almost more simple to use then a revolver. We made a BIG mistake not including glock in the testing.....
 
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ChdNorm    RE:the xm8 why??   9/19/2004 3:30:10 PM
No doubt the Glock 17 would have given them all a very good run for thier money. We probably would be better served with the simplicity of the Glock over the conventional DA/SA and deco cking safety M-9 we got in the hands of the less than highly skilled average G.I. I'm not sure on my Glock history, wasn't it just a few years too late? Mid to late 80's instead of the early 80's trial period?
 
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Heorot    RE:the xm8 why??   9/19/2004 4:37:12 PM
The Austrian Army adopted it in 1983 ao it must have been fully developed by then, at least for military use. Perhaps Glock were concentrating on military sales back then rather than for police/civilians.
 
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DocBeav    RE:The XM8, why??   9/29/2004 11:14:42 AM
XM8 why? Haven't fired it yet but from all the reports I'm seeing and hearing it's gonn be our latest toy. Much more versatile(did I spell it right)than the M4, which is a good weapon for sure, lightweight, rugged ect....found alot of good websites with info and pictures. Bottom line is that all reports are that the evaluators LOVE the XM8 and it may be in production as early as this next year. Hope the TEAMS get em soon! DocBeav USN ST-8
 
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gf0012-aust    XM8, why??   9/29/2004 6:33:09 PM
I saw a mock up of this weapon yesterday. (I'm at a military conf) The H&K rep basically considered is it to be a modified G-36 with some requirements made by US Army that they disagree with (eg trigger mechanism). His view is that armourers and and specforces elements will be happily cutting off the trigger mechanism which was the "generals modification request) Sorry, I can't remember the name of the US General they were unimpressed with. On another note, I did get to see their new specwarrie pmg which fires a full AP 1.66 round. Very very nice and weighs in at 1.6kilos. It's better balanced than an uzi and will also be rreleased as a handgun. 1.66 interestingly enough is the preferred round that rabbit shooters use in australia when they build their custom guns. H&K were saying that the round is just as lethal (and more so apparently than the 5.56)
 
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gf0012-aust    Brain-phart on round size - why??   9/29/2004 11:41:09 PM
correction on my clumsy typing. not 1.66mm round, it's a 4.6mm round. my apols to the lilliputan snipers who i might have got excited inadvertantly
 
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Heorot    RE:Brain-phart on round size - why??   9/30/2004 4:38:45 PM
Given the H&K developed a highly efficient 4.7 round for the ill fated G11, do you know how closely related the two rounds are in terms of performance?
 
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gf0012-aust    Brain-phart on round size - why?? - Heorot   9/30/2004 7:13:49 PM
Don't know to be honest, and I never even thought to ask the question. I have some penetration data which I could post later on if anyone is interested, but that will be determined by next net access I'm in. Love the MP7 though, light, easy to lift, swing and conceal if necessary. It will be interesting to see how the hand gun version of it shapes up.
 
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AstroDarkMatter    RE:The XM8, why??   10/1/2004 2:41:29 AM
here.... have you seen the recent 2004 shootout at black water usa? check our thier videos, you can see that the disassebly is that of 30 seconds for the entire thing. AKA the gun is 4x easyier and faster than the m16 and m4 plus the g36. it have a different built in terms of ease, and also cleaning is made much simpler
 
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mudshark    RE:The XM8, why??   10/9/2004 12:07:57 PM
link thanks astro.
 
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