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Subject: german weapons
the german    6/15/2003 9:47:10 AM
what do you think of german weapons and the german army?? I know that the USMC and army use our weapons, for example the HK MP5. I hope you won't say everythink germany does and produces is just becuse we were against the war and still are.
 
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saltpeterjunky       12/4/2006 8:37:59 AM

Why do You all think the Yanks came up with the Marshall Plan.

The thought of communist hordes armed with German weapons - scary.

Wow, cool Is the "kommi" hunt still on in the US?
When I see this post looks like it is....not that i'd be sorry for them, just a thought...

PS - to inqure about german (a.k.a. Heckler & Koch, i guess) weapons look up in wikipedia under H&K, the popular models are listed, described in origin and tech specs. et cetera
 
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paperplane_uk       12/4/2006 9:55:08 AM
to clarify the ownership of the H & K:
 
In 1991 in the wake of the cancellation of the G41 and G11 rifles, H&K was bought by British Aerospaces Royal Ordnance division. Their major contribution to weaponry since then was the modification of the SA-80 rifle for the British Army, clearing up a number of issues. In 2002 BAE Systems, as it was by now known, resold it to a German group (H&K Beteiligungs-GmbH) that was created for this purpose.
 
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Rasputin    G3 compared to FNFAL   1/15/2007 11:26:06 AM
So the story goes that Germany wanted to manufacture FNFALs the G1 but the Belgians told them in no uncertain terms (was told it was rude and insulting as well)  that they would never get the licence.

And Heckler and Koch making sewing machines in spain were recalled? to make rifles for the German army. And after looking at the FNFAL, HK declared that the FNFAL was too expensive and extravagant for a rifle, so after some redesigns internally we have the G3 which is supposed to be considerably cheaper to manufacture.

My question now is, if the G3 ( originally made in Germany HK guns not those American clones made of Chinese parts) is considerably cheaper to manufacture, why the hell is it so much more expensive when compared to the FNFAL?
 
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Softwar       1/15/2007 12:07:47 PM
The main weapon of the M1A1 is the M256 120mm smoothbore cannon, designed by the Rheinmetall Corporation of Germany.    Proven in combat as lethal, accurate and reliable.  When it comes to tank guns - no one can beat Germany.
 
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buzzard       1/16/2007 11:23:01 AM

Germany have always made good hardware. Stuff they made in WW2 is still used in designs today. Modern MGs are based on the MG42 as someone else said, and the STG44 was the base design of the AK47 which the Russians 'aquired' after the war. Germany still makes good stuff today.Good for them.

You can take it with a grain of salt I suppose, but Antonin Kalashnikof vehemently denies any relation between his gun and the STG44. He has repeatedly stated that the design was his, and his alone. I'd have to see the workings of the STG44 before I'd personally know what to think. I have an AK derivative so I know what the innards look like. I'd like to see what the STG44 looks like inside to compare.

buzzard
 
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S.C.P       1/16/2007 12:28:25 PM
German Weapons ?
 
You can't go wrong with Hekler and Koch. 
 
The Germans invented the Worlds' first General Perpous Machine Gun and the Worlds' first Assault Rifle
 
They might have also invented the Worlds first Sub-Machinegun ?
 
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Horsesoldier       1/16/2007 2:16:42 PM


You can take it with a grain of salt I suppose, but
Antonin Kalashnikof vehemently denies any relation between his gun and
the STG44. He has repeatedly stated that the design was his, and his
alone. I'd have to see the workings of the STG44 before I'd personally
know what to think. I have an AK derivative so I know what the innards
look like. I'd like to see what the STG44 looks like inside to compare.


buzzard
Internally the StG-44 and the AK have pretty much nothing in common despite some suggestion of external similarities, so it seems fair to say Kalashnikov did not copy the mechanicals of the StG-44.  The Russians had some consistent proponents of an assault rifle type weapon with an intermediate cartridge back in WW1 and then after the Revolution in the 1920s and 1930s, so even the basic concept is debatable as a copy of the German innovation.
 
The one point where they probably did copy the Germans was the M43 round, which was apparently based on the 7.92 Kurtz round (and which differs from the 1920s-30s Russian idea of a .25 cal or so intermediate rifle round).  The M43 round was not invented by Kalashnikov, in any case.
 
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Horsesoldier       1/16/2007 2:21:29 PM

So the story goes that Germany wanted to manufacture FNFALs the G1 but the Belgians told them in no uncertain terms (was told it was rude and insulting as well)  that they would never get the licence.

And Heckler and Koch making sewing machines in spain were recalled? to make rifles for the German army. And after looking at the FNFAL, HK declared that the FNFAL was too expensive and extravagant for a rifle, so after some redesigns internally we have the G3 which is supposed to be considerably cheaper to manufacture.

My question now is, if the G3 ( originally made in Germany HK guns not those American clones made of Chinese parts) is considerably cheaper to manufacture, why the hell is it so much more expensive when compared to the FNFAL?

 
 
German expatriates in Spain were making the CETME already, which morphed pretty quickly into the G3.  It was pretty easy to get the G3 up and running after the G1/FAL deal did not pan out in a manner acceptable to the West German government.
 
 
For a civilian shooter, I don't think that an HK manufactured G3 is much more expensive than an FN manufactured FAL -- both are victims of US law restricting importation, which accounts for the current price rather than pure economics.
 
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Rasputin       1/16/2007 10:45:41 PM
Horse soldier, do u know how good would a Pakistani license made G3 compare to ther HK one?
 
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max william       10/28/2009 8:19:27 PM
sevral police stations in the united states use the g36,mp5,and sevral other guns.the pentagon police deparment uses the g36.so do sevral swat teams.
 
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