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Subject: Airbus in trouble over A-380 delays
PowerPointRanger    6/15/2006 9:26:18 AM
The A-380 is facing another six-month production delay.

It's starting to look like Airbus bit off more than it could swallow. They aren't being very specific about the reasons for the delays (using vague terms like "bottle-necks" and "testing").

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And with these further delays, they might lose some of the orders they already have.

With $12 billion in development costs, this is starting to look like a major disaster for Airbus.

On top of that, many of the executives sold off their shares before the announcement of the delay.

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Can anyone say "insider trading"? This could be a financial scandal of ENRON proportions!
 
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PowerPointRanger    The Scandal   6/16/2006 4:48:02 PM
The European stock investigators are looking into the suspicious stock sales surrounding the delays on the A380. An number of executive and their family members sold large amounts of stock after delays were suspected, but not announced. link I doubt this will cause Airbus to implode in the same way as Enron, because Airbus still has profitable lines, primarily the A320, and a large back-log of business after last year's booming sales. But you can bet there will be criminal investigations and probably a shake-up in leadership. Airbus has two new models, the A350, which competes against the Boeing 777 & 787, and A380, which competes against the 747. Both are in trouble. The A350 has 100 orders, about the minimum for production to begin, but isn't getting any new orders because it is basically on old fuselage on new composite wings. Buyers prefer the all composite 787, which will be lighter and offer siginicant savings in fuel consumption. The A350 is being reconsidered, which probably means signicant delays for redesign (think years). During all that time, Boeing will happily be selling 787's (cornering that sector of the market, mid-sized long-range aircraft). The A380 faces another delay. It has 159 orders and nothing more is likely until Airbus starts showing it can deliver what it promises. It needs 250 orders to turn a profit. Of the 159, none have cancelled...yet. Buyers are negotiating with Airbus to see if it is in their interest to stay. Airbus will probably lose a big chunk of their profit to keep the buyers happy. Again, Boeing cleans up on the lucrative high-end of the market in the meantime. Airbus is trouble.
 
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Professor Fickle    RE:The Scandal   6/20/2006 7:24:54 PM
dam it i wont ro fly in one!
 
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giblets    A350 now A370   6/23/2006 8:06:50 AM
I think the A350 is now renamed the A370, as there are significant changes to the design since then.
 
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Nichevo    RE:A350 now A370   6/23/2006 12:10:15 PM
Well, of course, because 370 is 20 better than 350. Why not cut to the chase and call it the Infinity? Then the next model can be the Infinity-plus-one, etc.
 
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PowerPointRanger    RE:A350 now A370   6/30/2006 12:54:28 AM
Yeah, but that 20 extra is going to cost Airbus time. The A350 might have been ready in 2010. The A370 won't be ready until 2012, by which time the 787 will have been in service for 4 years. Airbus has 182 order (100 firm and 82 pending). How many of those orders do you think will dry up as a result of this delay?
 
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PowerPointRanger    RE:A350 now A370   6/30/2006 12:55:09 AM
Yeah, but that 20 extra is going to cost Airbus time. The A350 might have been ready in 2010. The A370 won't be ready until 2012, by which time the 787 will have been in service for 4 years. Airbus has 182 order (100 firm and 82 pending). How many of those orders do you think will dry up as a result of this delay?
 
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Nichevo    RE:A350 now A370 182 minus (20?)   6/30/2006 12:59:51 AM
Bwahaha, depends how fast Boeing can turn the crank. But politics will weigh, of course, who wants to keep the Euros sweet or diss them, like that. If the 370 comes off without a hitch, they might just save it - but the next little hiccup and they may as well junk their dies.
 
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PowerPointRanger    Airbus bosses resign   7/3/2006 12:11:57 PM
Troubles get even worse for Airbus. The Co-executives in charge of Airbus quit under pressure. link Also an audit of Airbus returned a valuation at the low end of expectations. Also, BAe is backing out of a deal to sell its 20% stake of the company. Also, numerous buyers of the A350 & A380 are threatening to cancel orders over production delays and dissatisfaction with designs. Also, Airbus has admitted that its first A380 sales will be at a loss because of the delays. The A350 & A380 are programs in which Airbus will have invested a combined $22b before either plane makes its first commercial flight. I think it's safe to say, it will be a long time before Airbus makes a profit on these two programs (if ever).
 
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wjr1       8/29/2006 9:01:12 PM

I really wonder whether the A380 is actually going to get out into the world at any near term date. Today the A380 was grounded due to indicator problems (at least) with the landing gear observed during unrelated testing (I believe engine flight tests). We may see this all dissolve into Gallic hysteria -- appropriate as it derives from Gallic hubris.

Best,
wjr

 
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PowerPointRanger    Here we go again!   9/23/2006 10:47:22 AM
The A380 is facing yet another delay (the third), again over wiring problems.
 
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This is almost becoming comic.  Is it obvious to everyone now that Airbus bit off more than it could chew?
 
 
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PowerPointRanger    A380 delays threaten A350   9/30/2006 11:08:43 AM
According to Aviation Week, the latest delays may undercut the launch of the A350, Airbus's direct competitor for the Boeing 787.  The last delay cost Airbus an estimated $650 million in lost revenue and late penalties (probably more).  The latest delay not only cuts their revenue (we don't know how much) but also further reduces the value of the parent company's stock.  In short, the new incarnation of the A350 will cost billions to develop and Airbus maynot be able to cobble together enough financing to do the job until the A380 problems are overcome.
 
A380 customers have remained with the progam through previous delays, but one can't help but wonder how much more they will tolerate.  And if the delay cascades into the A350 (which has also been delayed),  it could cause similar problems.
 
Airbus is now facing the very real prospect of being shut out of the lucrative medium and large commercial jet market for years to come.  And if enough customers pull out, it could lead to the cancellation of either or both programs.  We are talking about a finacial hit in the $20+ billion range.
 
That would leave Airbus to survive on the narrow margins of the successful-but-ageing A320 family at a time when Boeing is rushing to produce a smaller version of the 787 to replace its 737.  If Boeing can beat Airbus to the market with a successful narrow-body jet, it will have cornered all three categories of the market.
 
Airbus is too big and prestigeous for the EU to allow it to fail, but it is heading for an implosion if it does not manage a turn-around in a hurry.
 
 
 
 
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan       10/2/2006 9:14:12 PM
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.   Boeing wins.
 
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reefdiver       10/3/2006 12:01:19 PM
I personally have no doubt the A-380 will survive and be quite successful.  Its an incredible piece of engineering. At the same time, Airbus's current problems are obviously helping Boeing substantially. It happens.  Boeing is taking huge risk with the 787 as well.  They've had some small glitches. They may have more yet. Boeing has not yet totally won the race. Now, if Airbus messes up any more on the A-350, they'll have serious problems. You could see Boeing pull ahead big, big time. But both the A-380 and A-350 will survive. And both Boeing and Airbus will survive.
 
It will be very, very interesting to see what happens with the tanker competition. Sen. McClain seems determined to give Airbus a leg up on that contract. There are enough tanker aircraft involved to make either company much happier.
 
 
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Rasputin       10/7/2006 6:17:33 AM
Airbus won't fail, it will have a shot in the arm known as EU subsidies. And the fact that no orders have been canceled yet seems to indicate that the world still belives that airbus will deliver, but as have been mentioned in the above posts. Airbus will have to forgo profits to keep it's customer's good will.

But those airports that have specifically renovated their terminals, berths, departure halls and other facilites in anticipation of the A-380 will be serverely dissapointed, not to mention those airlines that have boasted they will be operating it. It's a maketing gimmick nightmare for them.

But is it true that BAE has sold its stakes?

Any news on the stretched boeing 747 and how is it's sales numbers?



 
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PowerPointRanger    New delays even worse   10/7/2006 1:35:26 PM
The news on the latest A380 delays are even worse than past delays.  The six-month delay announce last spring affected only planes not already in production.  Last Wednesday the company announced a 1 year delay of the entire program which is expected to cost the company $6 billion in profit through 2010.
 
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The rumors are starting to fly.  Airbus denies its new CEO is quitting.  Also there are rumors that Emirates is thinking about cutting its A380 order in half and ordering the difference in Boeing 747-8s.
 
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Currently, there are 47 orders for the 747-8 (3 passenger & 44 freight) plus options for 30 more.
The freighters are due to enter service in 2009 and the passenger version in 2010.  While this would still put them later than the A380 even with the current delays, some airlines seem to see it as a safer, more fuel-efficient alternative.
 
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