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Subject: MV-22 Osprey
slowball    9/2/2004 5:00:12 AM
Will the MV-22 enter service with the US Armed Forces as a safe and reliable transport or will it prove to be beyond our current capabilities?

Will it live up to the expectations of the USMC/USN/USAF?

From what I've read the technical challenges have been great but are being overcome. One problem that has been brought up is the propeller wash during landing and dismounting of troops. Is this a serious problem or something that can be overcome fairly easily?
 
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rikopotomous    RE:MV-22 Osprey   12/24/2004 9:25:31 PM
wow rly? I thought they scrapped the whole thing 5 years ago. I had no clue they were moving forward with it. Definately a good if they can make it work. (I know it physically flies but I mean practical, effective and reliable in worst case scenario.)
 
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HJ    RE:MV-22 Osprey status   12/25/2004 12:21:24 AM
Hey Rik, Do you live under a rock?...just kidding. The V-22 program is all over the web. After a hard look due to several fatal mishaps that resulted in heavy OSD scrutiny, the program basically looked at the entire aircraft nose-to-tail and did some reengineering before it returned to flight status. There are V-22s flying at Pax River, Edwards AFB (CV-22 variant) and at the USMC squadron at New River. There are still some detractors out there who aren't happy with the V-22 and can get quite noisy, but the USMC pilots who are flying it are quite pumped up. Check the web an there some great shots of it doing its thing at sea. Its final Operational Test and Evaluation is coming up. One change to original design is foregoing a pilot operated chin gun to a ramp mounted .50 cal setup like being developed for the CH-53E after OEF experience where SOF operators asked for more fire power (and told V-22 program office that they prefer pilots to concentrate on flying, especially landing in adverse conditions). That saved a bunch of money. It will be interesting to see how V-22 revolutionizes tactics and flexibility for SOF and USMC.
 
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blacksmith    RE:MV-22 Osprey status   2/20/2005 11:48:05 PM
Think of a V-22 as a really fast helicopter. Then look at the accident rate for helicopters. The V-22 probably will not be any safer than that. The question is whether or not they can field enough of them to make the accident rate look acceptable (as with helicopters). If it can avoid a lot of early and spectacular crashes, it will probably prosper (like helicopters (only faster)).
 
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soopakrn    Osprey   11/19/2005 9:11:51 PM
I believe that the major problem will be in deciding who pilots the Osprey. On take off and landings, it is a giant helicopter. However, in flight, it is an airplane. So maybe there should be two pilots. One helicopter pilot and one bomber/fighter/cargo pilot.
 
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phrogdriver    RE:Osprey   1/13/2006 11:11:50 PM
Or, you can just take naval aviators and devise a syllabus that teaches to the mission, which is what has been done. Saying that you need 1 helo pilot and 1 fixed wing pilot is like saying you need a race car driver and a truck driver to drive an SUV. The hovering technique for a V-22 is distinctly unlike a helo. It is an airplane that lands like a helo, not a helo that flies like an airplane. Pilots from almost every platform in the Marine Corps have learned to fly the Osprey just fine. The biggest challenge in bringing them together is integrating mission planning skills--helo guys think objective area planning above all else, while f/w guys think a lot more about threat reaction in a 3-D context. Of course, sometimes you have to bring them down to reality,"What about the dude with the machine gun/rifle/rock?" Point being, both communities bring a lot to the table. Teaching people to fly is mostly the same in either, only different backgrounds require extra help in different things, e.g. crew coordination for f/w guys or high-altitude, higher airspeed planning and flying for r/w. The Osprey flies like a dream--you just have to teach to its peculiarities. A squadron definitely needs a mix of backgrounds until the Osprey is really its own community, but a pit doesn't necessarily need a blend.
 
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EW3    RE:CV-22 delivered to Air Force   3/21/2006 10:07:54 PM
The future is now. 3/21/2006 - KIRTLAND AIR FORCE BASE, N.M. (AFPN) -- A new chapter in Air Force aviation opened March 20 as the first operational CV-22 Osprey tilt-rotor aircraft arrived here. The aircraft was flown from the test wing at Edwards Air Force Base, Calif., by Lt. Gen. Michael W. Wooley, commander of Air Force Special Operations Command, to the 58th Special Operations Wing at Kirtland. The 58th provides advanced training to special operations pilots and aircrews. The CV-22 Osprey is a special operations variant of the MV-22, currently used by the Marines. The aircraft has the unique ability to takeoff, land and hover like a helicopter, and it can tilt its propellers to fly like a conventional, prop-driven aircraft. "The CV-22 has the capability to fly at turboprop speeds like a C-130 (Hercules), pull into helicopter mode and land like an MH-53J/M Pave Low," General Wooley said. "This is truly transformational for Air Force Special Operations Command." This dual capability gives the CV-22 extended range, speed and versatility over any other AFSOC aircraft. The extended range and speed will allow the Air Force to conduct long-range infiltration and exfiltration missions. The CV-22 and MV-22 are very similar, with differences existing mainly in the avionics needed for special operations missions. The 58th SOW is scheduled to receive four CV-22s by the end of June. The first operational CV-22 unit will operate out of Hurlburt Field, Fla., starting in 2007. The initial pilot training includes 400 hours of interactive computer-based training, 60 simulator hours and 40 flying hours in the MV-22 version of the Osprey. This will be followed by CV-22 mission-specific training for AFSOC pilots and flight engineers at Kirtland. Through the use of live-fire testing, the Osprey has proven to be four to eight times less vulnerable to enemy fire than current aircraft. It is 75 percent quieter, can fly higher and has one-tenth the infrared signature compared to most rotary aircraft. The CV-22 currently costs $89.1 million. However, cost reduction initiatives and a multi-year procurement contract is expected to significantly reduce that price. The Air Force plans on buying 50 CV-22s from now until 2017. from: link
 
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