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Subject: Civilian Carriers
Thomas    5/14/2003 5:06:25 AM
Has anybody written the history of Sea Lift Command and the danish shipping line Maersk.
It is interesting, that Mærsk-Sealand is the only shipping line capable of lifting an entire US Army.

The pre-positioned ships are to a large extend old Mærsk ships, which makes a lot of sense, as this line knows their old ships, and can sell/lease them without selling to competitors - which could sell freight to dumping prices.
Look out: Double hull tankers have for long been a Mærsk speciality, we might see som tightning up on regulations Exxon Valdez et alia are a nice pretext.
 
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leesea    RE:Civilian prepositioning ships   8/25/2004 12:42:54 AM
Ahh I think you got your facts a lot off mark. History of MSC is available on a yearly basis at www.msc.navy.mil. A good deal of his is at: link I managed 17 Prepo ships for MSC and your generalizations suffer quite a bit. There have been/are many different types of Prepo ships and Maersk does not have a lock on them. For more info goto: www.msc.navy.mil/PM3 The LMSRs are in fact built to lift and preposition a heavy armored brigade, they are USNS govt owned and contractor operated.
 
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Thomas    RE:Civilian prepositioning ships   12/28/2004 9:21:56 AM
Sure Mærsk does not have a lock on them, as the industry is not very consolidated.
 
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Thomas3    RE:Civilian prepositioning ships   12/5/2005 8:59:59 PM
yet
 
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gf0012-aust    RE:Civilian prepositioning ships   12/5/2005 9:12:35 PM
"Look out: Double hull tankers have for long been a Mærsk speciality," both civlian and mil merchants will be double hulled within a few years - its a mandatory requirement to comply with international EPA requirements on vessels discharging. the big money is in processing the blackwater for all those double hulls.
 
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Thomas3    gf0012   12/7/2005 10:47:03 PM
True; but it has been a mystery for years why there were so few newbuild tankers. One of the explanation was that doublehulled were expensive, so the shipping line held on to thier antiques. Another is that a lot of oil is transported in pipelines these days. Is the shortage in refining capacity not a short term problem. Is China not building any???
 
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gf0012-aust    RE:gf0012   12/7/2005 11:30:59 PM
China is actually taking on a huge multi solution generation and power supply process - in fact she's doing it smarter than everyone else on the planet. If one looks at consumption and projected growth, then they are certainly gearing up for high storage and high demand. eg LPG from Australia and Iran Uranium from Australia Nuke Power station agreement with France and Russia Land pipelines from Iran Oil in the Japan Sea Oil issue in the Spratys Protection of Sea routes. Gwadar, Panama, Myanmar Largest Palm Oil planatation in the world is Chinese Funded Oil and LPG agreements with Indonesia. A decision to make all future military vehicles dual fuel Then look at the time frames where all of this has occurred. All within 10 years.
 
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Thomas3    RE:gf0012   12/10/2005 8:45:04 PM
I was perifially involved with wind power generation say 7-8 years ago, when the chinese military attache was involved and very interested.
 
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gf0012-aust    RE:gf0012   12/10/2005 10:45:59 PM
"I was perifially involved with wind power generation say 7-8 years ago, when the chinese military attache was involved and very interested." The Chinese have been sponsoring all of the major Wind Turbine Conferences outside of EWEA. Ironically, the biggest seller of wind turbines in China is GE. GE have done far more to help establish chinese grid infrastructure than any any amount of French or Russian nukes could ever do. ;) It's something that is of huge significance in the redundancy of energy solutions in times of conflict. A control room for 250 turbines can literally be as big as a Mercedes Sprinter - try doing that with a nuke power station. ;)
 
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mmariner2185    RE:Civilian Carriers   2/14/2006 9:24:42 PM
It doesn't surprise me that Maersk is the only one that can do it.... figures since the U.S. Merchant Fleet has disappeared into thin air no thanks to Panama and China. Maersk has some big ships though, and they constantly build new ones. They are really nice too, despite Maersk-Sealand being nowhere near a good company to work for, according to Schuyler grads I know who sailed there.
 
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EW3    RE:gf0012   2/14/2006 9:47:22 PM
A control room for 250 turbines can literally be as big as a Mercedes Sprinter - try doing that with a nuke power station. ;) FWIW it's worth GF I sail past a wind turbine at the edge of Boston Harbor. It sits there spinning the way it should, it's at the end of a spit of land near Hull MA (google it). I like the idea, but the truth is when I read up oin the statistics, this windgenerator in the past 5 years only generated what Seabrook nuclear power station did in a few hours. Sadly in the US NIMBY is a way of life. The good people of Hull, blue collar people, are willing to add a totaly of 6 more windmills over the next few years so their town is totally driven by wind. Sadly the Greeen Party in America (the democrats) are fighting against the windfarm or of cape cod. Both senators from here have estates on the islands and they might see the wind generators. We also have such luminaries as James Taylor and others living on the islands and we would not want to offend their sensibilities. BTW - most of them only live there for 3 months of the year, and even then usually on weekends.
 
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Weasel    RE:Civilian prepositioning ships   2/14/2006 10:49:39 PM
"... Ahh I think you got your facts a lot off mark. History of MSC is available on a yearly basis at www.msc.navy.mil. A good deal of his is at: link ..." Good lord!!! you had better be careful with your acronyms, as anyone who knows shipping would find anyone claiming to be associated with MSC questionable at best. And I am talking the "real" MSC (Mediteranean Shipping Company), not the Military Sealift Command. I nearly fell off my chair until I saw the .mil link....
 
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leesea       10/25/2006 12:55:54 PM
I am aware of that shipping company.  Are you aware of the US Navy's Military Sealift Command controls over 100 civilian ships and employs over 6000 mariners?  Certainly in the context of "prepositioning ships" with refernce to .mil links,  it was obvious which organization I was referring to?
 
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