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Subject: Coast guard Blues
PowerPointRanger    3/25/2007 1:02:45 PM
Today's article "U.S. Coast Guard Running Out of Ships" raises an interesting question: What suitable off-the-shelf ship could the US Coast Guard get?

I've look around, and there isn't much out there. The big problem is that the US Coast Guard faces some rather unique challenges. Among them:

--High speed drug traffic boats
--Open water environment
--Frequent Hurricanes

Because of these peculiarities, most European offerings just don't cut it. They're too slow, have limited range, and not designed for open water.

For other countries (China, Russia, Third World countries), you tend to have quality control issues.

The only thing I found that raised any possibilities was the Visby-class corvette, produced by Sweden. While not built to NATO standards, it was built in collaboration with Northrop-Grumman as a precursor to the Littoral Combat Ship program. It's weaponry is probably not what a US Coast Guard cutter would need (torpedoes, anti-ship missiles, and mines), but such things could probably be removed from the design without too much trouble (or restored if the vessel were ever used as an escort in a time of war). The gun at 57mm is probably too big. Again, this could be replaced without too much trouble.

The big plus for this ship is it's speed (>35 knots), its ability to carry a helicopter, and integrated communications. The stealthy design, while its not necessarily applicable to a Coast Guard mission, it doesn't hurt if you're going after drug smugglers. It is probably a bit expensive for what the Coast Guard wants to do ($184 million each), but if you're going buy 20-40, it will probably bring down the coast. In fact, if the Coast Guard collaborated with the US Navy (in the same way the Navy and Air Force collaborated on the F-35), the Navy might use a Visby-type design as a replacement for their Littoral Combat Ship (which has had problems with price overruns).

The Coast Guard urgently needs to replace almost all 88 ships of its current fleet and the Navy want a large number of LCS-type ships. A collaboration to buy 100+ of these ships would certainly bring down the costs.

I know it's a bit of a stretch, but I don't see much else out there. Anyone else have some ideas?
 
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flamingknives       3/25/2007 1:22:01 PM
The thing is that the LCS is about an order of magnitude larger than the cutters that the costguard has lost.

Interestingly, the US Coastguard already operates license-built Vosper Thornycroft (UK) designs. Perhaps Vita-class Fast Attack Craft (FAC) would be suitable for larger coastguard ships, but I doubt that they'd be sufficient for the LCS spec.
 
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PowerPointRanger    But...   3/26/2007 10:14:43 PM
The Visby is about the right size (if anything it is smaller than what the Coast Guard is using).  While the LCS is derived from the Visby, they are obviously not the same thing.
 
As for the two ships you mentioned, too small and no helicopter facities.
 
 
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perfectgeneral       3/27/2007 12:21:40 PM
Could a VT Marine River Class OPV be made fast enough?

River Class

 
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flamingknives       3/27/2007 4:33:19 PM
But the cutters in the news at the moment are a scant over 100ft long and displace 160 tonnes. The Visby class is three times longer and displaces ten times as much. The LCS is bigger.

Looking at the others, the OPV would fill the role admirably, along with the Meko A and Commandante classes.
 
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PowerPointRanger    Not so fast   4/6/2007 12:41:41 AM
I like the modular capabilities, but at 16.5 knots, is too slow to go after drug trafficers in cigarette boats.  With no facilities for a helicopter, it's doubtful it could even find them.  It might useful for providing economic numbers, but I wouldn't want to buy too many.
 
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flamingknives    What'cha talking 'bout PPR?   4/6/2007 7:05:53 AM
The OPV has a max speed of 20 kts fully laden in sea state 4. The commandante and Meko corvettes are 26 and 22kts respectively. This is at least as good as most of the USCG cutters

All have a landing spot for a small or medium helicopter, the Meko has support facilities as standard and the other two have support facilities as an option.
 
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