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China Breaks Western Sanctions On Russia
SYSOP
8/20/2014 5:29:03 AM
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keffler25
8/20/2014 9:49:38 AM
Low end electronics. There is stuff that the west does not share.
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Photon
8/20/2014 11:28:36 AM
Once the initial political shock of the Western economic sanctions on Russia wears off, Russia and its trading partners will adjust. The sanction will hardly be watertight; its eastern neighbors want Russian energy and will not abide by the sanction to the extent the US and the EU do. China is not the only one who is hungry for the Russian energy; the same hunger is shared by Japan and South Korea.
Advanced electronic components? China has been steadily moving up in their tech tree. All that China needs is to have an adequate global market share to allow their electronic manufacturers to gain further experience to refine their skills. They have already demonstrated what they can do in the consumer electronics market. They are not that far off.
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keffler25
8/20/2014 4:04:18 PM
Cars are electronics as well as ICE. Have you LOOKED at their junk?
A nation that cannot get a car, or a Tv set right or a refrigerator, or even razor blades and a pocket calculator is not one of which I am afraid.
Once the initial political shock of the Western economic sanctions on Russia wears off, Russia and its trading partners will adjust. The sanction will hardly be watertight; its eastern neighbors want Russian energy and will not abide by the sanction to the extent the US and the EU do. China is not the only one who is hungry for the Russian energy; the same hunger is shared by Japan and South Korea.
Advanced electronic components? China has been steadily moving up in their tech tree. All that China needs is to have an adequate global market share to allow their electronic manufacturers to gain further experience to refine their skills. They have already demonstrated what they can do in the consumer electronics market. They are not that far off.
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Photon
8/20/2014 4:39:26 PM
Cars are electronics as well as ICE. Have you LOOKED at their junk?
A nation that cannot get a car, or a Tv set right or a refrigerator, or even razor blades and a pocket calculator is not one of which I am afraid.
Tell that to the Germans. Their backwardness was laughed at by the 19th century Great Britain. The Germans even went as far as to sell sewing machines labeled as 'Made in England'. But once they mastered industrialized manufacturing, they became the manufacturing powerhouse of Europe.
Also tell that to the Japanese. They crawled out of the post-1945 devastation by first selling shoddy imitation goods to the US. Of course, the Americans laughed at the Japanese then, until Toyota became hot import in the wake of the oil shock, followed by consumer electronics.
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keffler25
8/20/2014 5:48:37 PM
The Germans were NEVER backward. And the British knew it.
Don't confuse apples with oranges. Same went for the Japanese. The Americans might have bought that myth, but the British knew they were totally outclassed. Jackie Fisher famously said, that one of the reasons he pushed so hard for Royal Navy reforms was what he received as reports from Tsushima. He realized that the British would have fared as disastrously as the Russians did, because the Royal Navy was utterly incompetent in the basics like training and doctrine and did not know how to use their material. The Japanese used British ships, but they had AMERICAN naval instructors. War of 1898, you know?
Cars are electronics as well as ICE. Have you LOOKED at their junk?
A nation that cannot get a car, or a Tv set right or a refrigerator, or even razor blades and a pocket calculator is not one of which I am afraid.
Tell that to the Germans. Their backwardness was laughed at by the 19th century Great Britain. The Germans even went as far as to sell sewing machines labeled as 'Made in England'. But once they mastered industrialized manufacturing, they became the manufacturing powerhouse of Europe.
Also tell that to the Japanese. They crawled out of the post-1945 devastation by first selling shoddy imitation goods to the US. Of course, the Americans laughed at the Japanese then, until Toyota became hot import in the wake of the oil shock, followed by consumer electronics.
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Keffler
8/20/2014 7:46:17 PM
Your TV at home was made in China, Chinese cars, while i agree, are junk, turn on, run, and turn off when needed.
Are they in the same league as Western tech corps? No, barely the same ball game, but they've talent. And talented people, not to mention, an enormous pool of slave labour forces, that have the ethos of work or die engrained in them.
Don't need to fear China, that i agree with, the West is still that far ahead, and with Communism or despotism's aversion to free thinking, i dont see that changing any time soon.
Russian weapons industry has been making do with kludge for decades, they still manage to build competent systems, with the ethos that its only effective if a 17 year old illiterate peasant can fire the thing. And they still make SAM's capable of plucking a jet at 10Kms altitude traveling at nearly Mach1 out of the sky.
No, i'm fairly sure that while whatever they supply the russians, while not on par with western electronics, will be more than enough for the Russians, and a sh!t load better than anything the russians can produce.
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