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tommy atkins RE:How convenient for you to forget 1/27/2002 12:31:07 AM

Hmmm...Time to talk about the French revolution. Or French indochina? Greenpeace? French led Crusades? Take your pick Spanner!

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USMCwAnnAbE RE:How convenient for you to forget 11/12/2002 5:35:36 PM

Um, thats the past. Things have changed since then in case you haven't noticed.

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Thomas RE:How convenient for you to forget 5/8/2003 3:39:25 AM

Not to mention the Swedish atrocities against the Danish population in Scania. These "peaseloving", arms peddling, non-smoking and so on hypocrital Swedes like Hans Blix have the temerity to lecture.

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Belisarius Have things really changed? 7/7/2003 2:42:12 PM

Consider what we did in Waco... pumping CS gas into a building that had the women and children, including babies, at the lowest point in the building (concrete bunker in kitchen area). Those kiddos were breathing CS for a good six hours before the place went up in flames.

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Horse Soldier RE:Have things really changed? 7/7/2003 3:20:11 PM

>>Those kiddos were breathing CS for a good six hours before the place went up in flames.<< Damn shame they didn't think to surrender and sidestep CS induced runny noses and watery eyes . . . to say nothing of accidental immolation.

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Belisarius RE:Have things really changed? 7/7/2003 4:53:15 PM

Why surrender? They hadn't done anything wrong.

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Horse Soldier RE:Have things really changed? 7/7/2003 5:42:32 PM

If they hadn't done anything wrong, why not surrender? The ATF may be criticized for being heavy handed, but they were serving legal search warrants, were they not? The people they were serving the warrants against were a religious cult suspected of hoarding illegal firearms and explosives. In the same circumstances I might tend to go a little heavy myself -- anyone familiar with Aum Shinrikyo or Jonestown? As for the Davidians' general conduct -- If you are pulled over while driving your car by a rude and offensive policeman do you a.) cooperate and, if troubled enough, file a subsequent complaint, or b.) speed off in your car after he asks to see you license and registration? Your typical (read: sane) American opts for the former, I think, unless he or she has something to hide from discovery. Admittedly, the Branch Davidians were not your typical Americans (read: they were nuts), but still . . .

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Belisarius RE:Have things really changed? 7/7/2003 6:14:12 PM

The policeman analogy is faulty. A more correct analogy is "What if a police car rams you from behind with no warning, and when your car comes to a stop, a half-dozen mean-looking cops charge at you with their guns pointed at you?" Why not surrender? Maybe because of the way they were treated? It didn't get much publicity, but there was some pretty nasty psych warfare going on... spotlights across the building at night, noises of screaming horses getting cut up in a sawmill (that's what it sounded like to me, anyway)... they were NOT getting much sleep. Not to mention the fact that the ATF probably fired first... and there's the religious angle. If you were a persecuted religious minority, wouldn't you be wary of surrendering to the horrible antiChrist government that has your church surrounded with thugs? The Branch Davidians were never found guilty of any weapons charges... and of course the very legitimacy of the BATF is questionable as well.

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AJW RE:Have things really changed? 10/22/2003 10:15:57 AM

I seem to recall that when the ATF first knocked on the door nicely and presented their search warrent, before the psych war, et al, TWO of their agents were shot and killed. BEFORE the place was surrounded and the stand-off began. Now the change isn't illegal weapons, the charge is murder.

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sentinel28a RE:Have things really changed? 10/22/2003 10:49:14 AM

The fact that the BDs used assault weapons on the ATF agents should say something. The ATF botched the operation thoroughly, but Koresh planned on taking those women and children with him. Religious fanatics are like that. There is little excuse for what happened to Native Americans, but if Not for Spammers believed that everything was idyllic and the American government just got a burr up their ass to kill Indians, then I suggest some history texts are in order. Neither side considered each other human, and there is plenty of blood on both sides' hands. The Indians preyed on each other as much as the white man. Kent State...great idea, student protestors. After tearing apart the town for two days on a drunken rampage (which is why the National Guard was called in), it's not a good idea to start insulting and throwing things at scared, nervous young men with loaded weapons. What happened at Kent never should have, but had both sides used a little bit of common sense, it wouldn't have.

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god of war RE:sentinel28a 10/22/2003 12:30:36 PM

"Kent State...great idea, student protestors. After tearing apart the town for two days on a drunken rampage (which is why the National Guard was called in), it's not a good idea to start insulting and throwing things at scared, nervous young men with loaded weapons. What happened at Kent never should have, but had both sides used a little bit of common sense, it wouldn't have. " Jesus, man asking americans to take responsibility for their own actions is too much. I should know, i am surrounded by their breed...the lawsuits that should get laughed out of court...the disclamers to provent these lawsuits

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sentinel28a RE:sentinel28a 10/22/2003 2:09:13 PM

Point taken. But I think it's a worldwide epidemic. "You're poor and without economic opportunities? It's Israel's fault. You can't get your house back that you left in 1948? It's the Americans' fault. The Black Plague? That's Bush's fault!"

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JROTCKid RE:sentinel28a 10/22/2003 3:03:32 PM

Its human nature to use violence to achieve a goal .Caveman A bangs Caveman B on head with big rock. Caveman A takes Caveman B's woman and food. If White Americans hadnt slaughtered indians im pretty sure history would have been so drastically changed none of us would have been born . We would not be who we are . This discussion board wouldnt be here . Sure bad things occur but there is always a plus no matter how small . Everything has an opposite . YOu dont have to go forth saying all indians should die an they got what they deserved . I could recieve a check from Uncle Sam for being 1/6 indian but i have not felt the need for it . Its part of a repay for what was done. Sure money wont bring my culture back but it will help what remains . The BD with all that Media around could have came right out and it is supposed to be WE the people that would decide thier fate . You can go sit in your corner and whine the justice system is corrupted or you can have the system erased an a new one began. Its our fault that we cant trust our police and government . If we as a people refuse the government the economy will collapse and the rich politicians will go out with the money . Its like rebooting a computer an we will be living like its the 80's the 1880's that is but the human kind can make it. We fought off the British in America with those French that everyone hates help. They dont owe us for WW1 And 2 they just dont know that they are lucky . The Brits who we killed now stand by our side. Kent state They wouldnt be dead if they had dispersed now would they ?. They could have shown up next week . If they truly believed in what they said they should e able to pay in blood. Blood is the ink of new governments that stay . Blood powers the world and grows the grass.

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ambush RE:How convenient for you to forget 5/25/2004 12:24:13 AM

(1) One million? Were there even that many ?Native? Americans at any one time? (2) The poster would have you believe that prior to the arrival of evil White males the North American continent was just a Garden of Eden. Rarely mentioned is the fact the ?native? Americans were busy trying to kill each other off. Unless you believe the Iroquois Empire was built on group hugs. Let us not forget the thousands of human sacrifices the Aztecs performed in a single day with those they conquered. The ?Native? Americans were more than willing to join up with evil white guys if it meant eliminating and enemy tribe. (3) Of course those peace loving ?Native? Americans also engaged in slavery and some tribes, such as the Seminoles, even owned black slaves. Gives you a whole new perspective on the reparations issue. If you are going to whine for the poor ?Native? Americans, many of whom were barely above a stone age culture, you need to also whine for al the Christians feed to the lions, everybody who got there butts kicked by the Vikings, the Huns or Mongols, Romans, Greeks, Persians, Egyptians and on and on and on. Or you can stop living in the past, blaming others for your problems, get a job, join the real world and worry about important things.

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ambush RE:Kent State 5/25/2004 12:35:35 AM

....And chalk up 4 at Kent State. When an armed force authorized by the government goes on a college campus and fires 100 rounds of live ammunition, there are exactly two acceptable results: (1) there should be 100 bullet holes in rioting students, or (2) there should be 100 bullet holes in trees. Any other result suggests the soldiers simply couldn't be bothered to notice where their guns were pointing when they pulled the triggers. -- Donald Hamilton

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