Is the Topol M SS 27 the best intercontinental ballistic missile??

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RE:Is the Topol M SS 27 the best intercontinental ballistic missile?? 4/15/2004 6:33:09 PM

Your confidence in a missile which is essentially identical in form and function to every other ballistic platform on the globe amazes me. The elongated fuel bay and bloated propulsion system must have somehow made it the be-all-end-all. Perhaps I should humor you, however. The Topol series of missiles can be considered the Soviet counterpart to the American Minuteman. They both were deployed along a relatively shared timeline throughout the Cold War. In its upgraded form, the Topol 27 is comparable to the American Minuteman III system, both in terms of range and payload. It's no easier nor more difficult to intercept than any other ballistic missile. Most all ballistic weapons systems shed layers of outer foil upon re-entry, which can confuse the heck out of ground tracking radar. And some ballistic missiles have shorter burn times during launch than others, minimizing the window for satellite detection. The Topol 27 is not particularly more adept at either of these tasks than its Western counterparts..

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boris the romanian RE:Is the Topol M SS 27 the best intercontinental ballistic missile?? 4/20/2004 3:08:14 AM

I was under the impresion the Topol M actually had specialised decoys (10) to assist in the penetration of ground defences.

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NomadSoul RE:Is the Topol M SS 27 the best intercontinental ballistic missile?? 6/19/2004 5:55:23 AM

air ballistic is the key word, the missile has a MRV (maneuverable re-entry vehicle) capable of altering trjactory (to evade interception) upon re-entry.

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NomadSoul RE:Is the Topol M SS 27 the best intercontinental ballistic missile?? 6/19/2004 5:57:27 AM

Topol-M is built to penetrate the missile defense shield.

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hybrid RE:Is the Topol M SS 27 the best intercontinental ballistic missile?? 6/19/2004 6:25:52 AM

whoopee...a MARV...only 15-17 years late too.

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NomadSoul RE:Is the Topol M SS 27 the best intercontinental ballistic missile?? 6/19/2004 6:26:43 AM

Topol-M is the most sophisticated ICBM as we know of, not the most sophisticated SLBM in the world, that title belongs to Trident II D5 SLBM

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hybrid RE:Is the Topol M SS 27 the best intercontinental ballistic missile?? 6/20/2004 7:49:35 AM

Just one slight problem in this...I know of only 36 Topol-M's in existence currently (they had 4 batchs produced according to globalsecurity.org each batch had 10, so 40 tops so far and 36 quite probably being the lower end in active service, and that was the number at the beginning of this year). Of the Topol series (SS-25) we get the higher 300+ missiles. All of the M variants however have single warheads and are currently silo based. The Topol nominal variants are also single warhead currently (approx 550 KT yield warhead). I know they were having trouble for a couple years with the mobile M variants, not sure if they were ever fixed. In terms of throw weight total for the entire missile force, Russia has (or at least had at the beginning of this year) only the SS-18s, 19s and 24s have MIRVed heads. Of these the 18s have the largest number of heads at 1160 for the total deployment (about 116 missiles currently) but as has been stated elsewhere are older tech and well past their designated lifetime for the actual missiles themselves. In otherwords in terms of threat capability the older missiles have a much bigger potential. In terms of sophistication, eh, like others have said..its essentially similar to the minuteman III in that if necessary it can be upgraded very quickly to say MIRV/MARV heads. Now..the question I'd ask is how fast can you convert standard Topols to the M variant?

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Galderio RE:Is the Topol M SS 27 the best intercontinental ballistic missile?? 10/13/2004 11:20:19 AM

1-How many Topols mobile launchers are already working? 2-What western missile are equiped with MARVs rigth now?

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vok RE:Is the Topol M SS 27 the best intercontinental ballistic missile?? 12/22/2004 1:46:25 PM

First of all, Topol-M is much heavier than Minuteman III. If the rus decides to carry MIRVs on Topol-M, it will easily beat Minutman III. U.S. never depolyed MARV warhead. probably never will. Please don't compare Lockhead's MARV proposal of the late 1970's with the actual warhead. Design on paper does not equate to something real.

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Lightning Rod It just doesn't matter 12/22/2004 2:23:53 PM

Unless I have missed something, no one has even a moderately competent Anti-ballistic missile system. Even if one had a very very good one it really doesn?t matter except for defending on a very small scale or as a safeguard against a mistaken launch. Let?s assume someone had a system that was 90% efficient (they don?t, but let?s be generous.) Your enemy launches a small scale attack say 3 missiles with 30 warheads. Your system does an outstanding job and takes out 27 of the 30 warheads. That is absolutely excellent work! Except you just lost 3 cities and a few million people.

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french stratege RE:It just doesn't matter 12/22/2004 4:06:08 PM

antimissile systems are against countries with moderate numbers.Also to protect efficiency of military against an attack agaisnt some major assets like command posts. If you remove 270 warheads on a 300 warheads attack agaisnt 150 critical hardened military targets you save 80% of these assets from first strike. SS27 and as French M51 is to say USA doesn't dare to establish a too efficient antimssile defense. Maintening credibility.

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gixxxerking RE:It just doesn't matter 1/17/2005 4:09:32 AM

Nuke warheads arent an all powerful weapon. Yes they are terrible but it takes quite a few to destroy a large city. Suppose a rogue launches 1 missile with 10 MIRVs. 3 get through your defense and fall on very large cities. Consider that 9/11 cost the US well over a trillion dollars. Imagine the cost of a 500kt nuke airburst in that same location. Multiply by 3. Now multiply by 10. Now multiply all results by 10. Because thats the conservative estimate for a nuclear weapon detonating in a major city. Not to mention the long term cost associated with the fall out. The strain it would put on health care. So each one that is stopped, pays for the system many times over. Also each warhead stopped is tens to hundreds of thousands of saved lives. So it matters.

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eon_1000 ICBM facts 3/1/2005 8:43:26 PM

First ? during the Cold War USA and the USSR both built an overwhelming amount of ballistic missiles (as we all know) they also built* anti ballistic missile ? ?antimissile defense umbrella? but both countries knew that there is nothing stopping a ballistic missile ever ? that?s why the ?war? was so heated ? first strike wins. The development of antimissile systems was strictly a public relations issue ? the governments must assure their people that they are doing everything in their power to prevent a missile attack apart from a preemptive strike. (modern ground antimissile systems can only stop a cruise missile at the most and with only a 20% efficiency at that ? because ICBM?s operate slightly differently)To hit a missile that is dropping at 3x the speed of sound is virtually impossible. Second ? I herd someone mention a something-kiloton nuclear warhead ? the bomb dropped on Hiroshima was 13KT modern nuclear warheads are - 20MT for the SS-18 (Satan), Topol M is 550KT. Third ? Topol M SS 27 is the best ICBM ? mainly because it the most modern (1997)? the technology is not revolutionary (not including the new Mod 3 designed of 2004)but it is the combination of the technology that makes it superior. Fourth ? the way the RS-12M1M2(M3 in 2005) is first it is launched into the outer orbit where it cruises undetected (no space radar) for a maximum of 10500 km ? around the world. Then it starts to descend were it can change course at any time (the only missile to be able to do so. (Mod 3)) Then the re-entry vehicle ejects and flies to its target ? with propulsion (Mod 3) to increase the speed to 5 times the speed of sound. (6125.22 km/h) The outer shell of the re-entry vehicle is made of thick depleted uranium armor to with stand high heat (suck as lasers ? a defense for a science fiction strategy)

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Galderio RE:ICBM facts -eon_1000 3/3/2005 9:42:16 AM

"Then the re-entry vehicle ejects and flies to its target ? with propulsion (Mod 3) to increase the speed to 5 times the speed of sound. (6125.22 km/h)" Is it better than simply descend at mach 15 like other ICBMs?

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eon_1000 RE:ICBM facts -eon_1000 3/4/2005 7:27:18 PM

kind og stupid of me hu- when i was trying to make such a point and make such a mistake it is actually ~60m/s or mach 17 and its (Topol M) range is 11000km, has/could have 1-6 reentry vehicles with 550kiloton warheads (according to the START II treaty ICBM's are allowed to have only a singles warhead)

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