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Subject: Doctrine: Does US Retain Exclusive Possession and Control?
Iblis    1/18/2004 1:09:44 AM
Interesting thought. I have always assumed that the US (and the UK?) retain exclusive possession AND control of all it's WMD's. No matter where in the world or in what country they may be. I was posting in another (political) forum where an individual of leftist slant asserted that thanks to the US, a former Soviet state awash in oil would have no problem in using such weapons. I am under the assumption that many former USSR republic's may have separated with weapons from the Soviet empire. Well, does the US and/or the UK retain absolute possession and control of all their own WMD's? I would like to try and verify that that is the case and is US/UK policy and doctrine. Iblis
 
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gf0012-aus    Doctrine: Does US Retain Exclusive Possession and Control?   1/18/2004 1:33:25 AM
Is the left leaning poster stating that Russian nukes lie outside of Russia and the Ukraine and is also sitting in the "-stans"?? ispo facto they are under the direct control of the "stans". If so, then I suggest that they are trying a "wind up" ;)
 
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Iblis    RE:Doctrine: Does US Retain Exclusive Possession and Control?   1/18/2004 2:23:57 AM
Actually gf0012, The leftie was asserting that the US provided those weapons to the Kwhateverstan gov in return for oil guarantees. :bighoot: That was the point where I made my assertion from the first post. I believe it is correct, but do you have any information at all, any links? I emailed a query tp DOD PAO and received a recept that they would 'endeavor' to answer w/i 48 hours. ... that was three weeks ago. :biglaugh: Ta, Mate anyway. Iblis
 
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gf0012-aus    RE:Doctrine: Does US Retain Exclusive Possession and Control?   1/18/2004 2:47:45 AM
I think your lefty mate is one of those who prefers conspiracy theories to the reality of "realpolitik" ;) Perhaps they had just finished watching Dr Strangelove..... All sounds like an Area 51 plot to me.... ;)
 
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Worcester    RE:Doctrine: Does US Retain Exclusive Possession and Control?   1/19/2004 6:24:18 PM
iblis: If this helps.. (1) US Law specifically prohibits export of any fissionable material or "physics technology"; CIA are known to have broken this law (there is no provision for Presidential or Congressional override) in order to equip France and Israel. (2) UK weapons are under sole UK control, ditto everyone else except the US nukes in the UK which were/are under "dual key control"; US nukes in UK can only be used with permission of both US and UK. Used to include US cruise missiles and the US tactical air force in the UK; at present "dual key control" applies primarily to the U.S. Trident subs visiting the Scottish bases of UK Tridents or specifically under NATO C-in-C EastLant or COMSubEastLant (both UK admirals) to which none are allocated presently. It doesn't give the UK an ability to fire, just NOT to fire. (3) IF the US have based nukes in the -stans, I would GUESS that the local control is "dual key" i.e. not to launch any attack from their territory without their agreement - which is quite normal. I find it incredible (in the proper sense of that word) that the US would give the -stans their own nukes.
 
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Warhammer    RE:Doctrine: Does US Retain Exclusive Possession and Control?   6/6/2004 12:43:29 AM
As far as I know, when the USSR split up, any silos in the countries splitting off became property of those new countries. Effectively making a dozen new nuclear capable states in the world. I am pretty sure we didn't have to give any of the stan countries nukes, and it wouldn't matter if we did since most if not all have some anyway. I think there were some buyback plans for the stan countries nukes, but I don't know about selling some to them...
 
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Strangelove    RE:Doctrine: Does US Retain Exclusive Possession and Control?   6/7/2004 4:01:28 AM
In regards to the following: "(1) US Law specifically prohibits export of any fissionable material or "physics technology"; CIA are known to have broken this law (there is no provision for Presidential or Congressional override) in order to equip France and Israel" I believe a similar override occured in '98 when then president clinton allowed a tech transfer from Raytheon (?) to China (definitely). The tech involved launching multiple satillites with one rocket, which, incidentally, is the same tech which one needs to make MIRVs, and jumpstarted the Red China space program 10 years.
 
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Nanheyangrouchuan    RE:Doctrine: Does US Retain Exclusive Possession and Control?   6/7/2004 4:14:48 AM
The US might have paid off Russia to allow short range and tactical weapons to remain. The Stans have alot of oil and both China and India need it. The US has a presence but not enough to ward off a dedicated invasion. There might be Russian military officers present to "monitor" or maintenance the nukes, mostly to keep them from being pointed at Russia. This tactic could give the US leverage in who gets the Stans' oil exports and gives Russia a nuclear armed security zone (who is going to invade a nuke armed muslim country?) across the south. I lean left but it sounds like a great strategy. Now if US policies can avoid deliberately pushing around these countries, there should be no problem.
 
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