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Subject: Russian T90 vs. US M1A2 Abrams
achtpanz    6/14/2004 3:59:14 AM
Russian T90 vs American M1A2 Abrams - Which is better? If these tanks fought in battle, which would suffer more casualties, which one is superior? What are their advantages? Any information would be helpful.
 
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SantaClaws       4/3/2011 8:49:31 PM
Unlikely. As slim mentioned earlier, the older stingers couldn't go below a certain elevation to hit ground targets. Even had they wanted to, they'd use hellfires instead. Not sure if 58s were equipped with hellfires in the first Gulf War, but they are now. And even if they weren't they'd call in the Apaches to do it. And a hellfire, being laser or radar guided, is going to be a lot more accurate for ground targets than an IR seeker.
 
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heraldabc       4/3/2011 8:50:18 PM
Helicopters don't engage other helicopters. Helos are extremely maneuverable and can mask themselves behind terrain. My turn rate in a 60 is higher than a Hind or 64. If either tried to engage me I could continuously out turn them and disengage until they went bingo fuel. It's simply not worth the effort to do a helo on helo battle. Using ADA or fast movers to engage helos is another story.

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One day you will learn.
 
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Slim Pickinz       4/3/2011 8:53:55 PM

Helicopters don't engage other helicopters. Helos are extremely maneuverable and can mask themselves behind terrain. My turn rate in a 60 is higher than a Hind or 64. If either tried to engage me I could continuously out turn them and disengage until they went bingo fuel. It's simply not worth the effort to do a helo on helo battle. Using ADA or fast movers to engage helos is another story.

The enemy helo wouldn't have to turn with you, it could just sit stationary and punch the rudder to easily turn and keep a stinger or igla pointed at you.
 
I'm pretty sure you're just making this UH-60 pilot thing up. 
 
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heraldabc       4/3/2011 8:55:40 PM

Unlikely. As slim mentioned earlier, the older stingers couldn't go below a certain elevation to hit ground targets. Even had they wanted to, they'd use hellfires instead. Not sure if 58s were equipped with hellfires in the first Gulf War, but they are now. And even if they weren't they'd call in the Apaches to do it. And a hellfire, being laser or radar guided, is going to be a lot more accurate for ground targets than an IR seeker.

There isn't a limiter in that thing that cannot be gimmicked on the rail and you should know that.
 
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SantaClaws       4/3/2011 9:04:18 PM
Herald, one day you will learn that just because it's on the internet, it doesn't mean it's fact or reflect how things are in real life.
 
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And before you start questioning the validity of the photo. Read the fine print on the TM. I think I know more about this subject than you.

Helicopters don't engage other helicopters. Helos are extremely maneuverable and can mask themselves behind terrain. My turn rate in a 60 is higher than a Hind or 64. If either tried to engage me I could continuously out turn them and disengage until they went bingo fuel. It's simply not worth the effort to do a helo on helo battle. Using ADA or fast movers to engage helos is another story.



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One day you will learn.

 

Herald


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SantaClaws       4/3/2011 9:09:56 PM



Helicopters don't engage other helicopters. Helos are extremely maneuverable and can mask themselves behind terrain. My turn rate in a 60 is higher than a Hind or 64. If either tried to engage me I could continuously out turn them and disengage until they went bingo fuel. It's simply not worth the effort to do a helo on helo battle. Using ADA or fast movers to engage helos is another story.



The enemy helo wouldn't have to turn with you, it could just sit stationary and punch the rudder to easily turn and keep a stinger or igla pointed at you.

 

I'm pretty sure you're just making this UH-60 pilot thing up. 


Right up until I mask behind a tree, hill, house or anything else that blocks line of sight.
 
 
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SantaClaws       4/3/2011 9:16:52 PM



The enemy helo wouldn't have to turn with you, it could just sit stationary and punch the rudder to easily turn and keep a stinger or igla pointed at you.

 

I'm pretty sure you're just making this UH-60 pilot thing up. 


I'm pretty sure you think that because you don't fly helicopters so you are imaging scenarios which aren't realistic, and/or have no concept how aerial engagement are done.
 
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heraldabc       4/3/2011 9:19:08 PM
Why not give a valid image address, before you proclaim victory in a subject about which you actually know nothing?
 
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SantaClaws       4/3/2011 9:24:59 PM
Too difficult to switch "**" with "tt"? There's already a bunch of views on it so you're the only one having difficulty with your web browser.
Why not give a valid image address, before you proclaim victory in a subject about which you actually know nothing?

 

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heraldabc    Ambush missile.    4/3/2011 9:32:01 PM







Helicopters don't engage other helicopters. Helos are extremely maneuverable and can mask themselves behind terrain. My turn rate in a 60 is higher than a Hind or 64. If either tried to engage me I could continuously out turn them and disengage until they went bingo fuel. It's simply not worth the effort to do a helo on helo battle. Using ADA or fast movers to engage helos is another story.







The enemy helo wouldn't have to turn with you, it could just sit stationary and punch the rudder to easily turn and keep a stinger or igla pointed at you.



 



I'm pretty sure you're just making this UH-60 pilot thing up. 







Right up until I mask behind a tree, hill, house or anything else that blocks line of sight.

 



Not too bright, Santa. You have what? Mayne five to eight seconds if you see it or the threat detector warning goes off? Less than THREE seconds if none of that happened. (and it usually doesn't).  

How's your flying skill? Which quarter of the sky? Above or below? HOW MANY?

You are DEAD, before you move a thousand meters up down, or sideways. It takes time to duck behind an obstacle.(in this case a hill, or a large fold in the ground  A tree won't save you.)  
 
Herald 
 
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