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Subject: Russian T90 vs. US M1A2 Abrams
achtpanz    6/14/2004 3:59:14 AM
Russian T90 vs American M1A2 Abrams - Which is better? If these tanks fought in battle, which would suffer more casualties, which one is superior? What are their advantages? Any information would be helpful.
 
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SantaClaws    Dimitri the moron   3/2/2011 10:33:19 PM
Just to make you look like a bigger fool. This is a confirmed Russian T72.
 
 
 
Guess what? It looks exactly like the Georgian one! Can you guess why? Because they are both T72s! Holy shit! Who'd think that the same tank would look just like the same tank from another country!!?!?! Absolutely mind blowing!
 
If you paid for your education I suggest you go back to that school and demand your money back.
 
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Buzz       3/2/2011 10:44:45 PM

BTW D have you ever actually been in a Tank of any kind or a BMP? Quick - What was the wooden stick used for that was issued to BMP-1 crews? Also what is that little oval Key Hole used for on the right rear of the T-72/90 just over the back of the tread? Do you know the difference between dead track  and live track?  Why do we call the T-72M "Dolly Pardon" ? Without gooling the name do you know who Dolly Pardon is?  How about some easy ones. What is that little hole in the center front of the chassis of the T-54 and some T-55's? Why not all T-55's?  Where does the driver set?







  1. If the auto-loader on the BMP''s grenade launcher gun  failed you used the stick.




  2. Dead track is simple hinge connected and lies flat on ground when laid out, live track is connected with bushings  and the ends of such a section the ends slightly curve up when laid out.




  3. It seems that you refer to the armor bulges on the front turret face of the T-72M and later models. Dolly Parton is a country music singer noted for her chest attributes. Smart business woman, has an amusement park named Dollywood.




  4. Some T-55s had a small bow machine gun for the driver. Some did not.The driver SITS on the left.




  5. There is a recessed right rear station keeping light on the T-72. Can't say a thing about the T-90 . Haven't seen one yet.





D and some of the other posters appearently get all of their information from the internet and have no basis of actual hands on experience to write from. I'd love for them to go out and break track on a tank so they could at least say they had done that. BTW he has a bad habit of calling people names but doesnt once give any facts except the ones he makes up in his head as you pointed out.





You mean like Ruben, Ruben? Look it up. I suggest the urban dictionary.


 

H.


 



You actually did better than I thought you would. You got 2 and 3 correct.
 
The wooden rod was to unfold the fins of the SAGGER missile that sits on the rail above the gun on the BMP-1.
 
The small hole I was talking about was indeed for a 7.62 machingun but was standard on the T-54. It was on some T-55's because when the decision was made to upgrade the tanks main gun and engine there were still a lot of unfinished tank chassis which had been caste for T-54s, The gun was impossible to fire because it was next to impossible to for the driver to steer the moving tank and reach over and fire the machingun. If I remember correctly the barral was a smoothbore and was meant to be a harrasement weapon.
 
The last one you tanked. Its a key for the pressure relief valve for the engine compartment sump. Its funny as hell to get someone to stand behind the tank and have them turn the valve. It squirts old grease, diesel, water and oil all over them.
 
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Dmitri514    Santa - Clown   3/2/2011 10:47:04 PM
"This is a confirmed Russian T72.
 
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Guess what? It looks exactly like the Georgian one!"
 
Nice proof. If it  "looks exactly like the Georgian one" it is Russian. Where is the link moron?
 
 
 
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SantaClaws       3/2/2011 10:48:44 PM
h**p://www.defencetalk.com/pictures/data/4878/medium/Russian_T-72.jpg
 
Obviously the school system never taught you how to manipulate html code either.
 
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SantaClaws       3/2/2011 10:51:41 PM
BTW, since you are obviously an expert on Russian tanks, I shouldn't even have to post a picture for you to know that a Russian T72 looks exactly like a Georgian T72.  Other than it being common sense since they are the same tank and Georgia used to be part of Russia...Well really there is nothing to excuse your stupidity.
 
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Buzz       3/2/2011 11:02:37 PM



you all are totally full of shit, once i started conversation all you people did is just taking the turn one after another to flood this conversation with some shit.

There us a simple comcept, called negation or falsification.

 


 

 The short version is that you test a statement for truth.

 

Example, I pointed out that the T-90 tank was based on Russoan tech and that it has characterisitcs designed to fit Russian doctrine and style of fighting. I picked some choices made and showed why those choices were made.

 

I did not say it was a bad tank. I said ir was a Ruusian tank.

 

Then you tried to bluff me and  Buzz tried to pile on.


 

Well, Buzz may have worked on armor at some ,point as a crewman I don't frankly know or care. I simply noted that he tried to checkfact me and failed miserably. I HAVE a major US Army  (Armor) as a brother in law. We talk unclassified info to each other on our respective jobs.

 

I am not a tank expert. I said this elsewhere on this site and here, but I am no armor dummy either. I had one truck driver gameplayer try to pass himself off as an expert on the :Leclerc to me, and I saw how that turned out when he could not talk void zones, variable density armor and misiidentified a droop sensor as an auto-cannon   . Now please don't repeat HIS mistake.       


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Am I cleat here? Let me know if you misunderstand. 


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H, I can tell you I have more knowledge of russian equipment than most of the posters here. Most hands on. It has been awhile though but russian equipment hasnt changed much. I am a formor Army Officer so your brother doesnt impress me. He probably knows a lot more than me about an M--1 but I can assure you he doesnt know dick about the russian stuff except how to kill them. Tankers for years used to think the v shaped water deflector in front of the tank driver was to defeat TOW missiles by cutting off their guide wires. Even as an LT I tried to explain how stupid that was but and why but they wouldnt listen. Just so you know my background is Infantry, OD Missiles - Weapons- Ammo - Electronics, And Heavy Vehicle Maintenance - Foriegn Equipment. BTW it was all hands on.
You can read up on all of the BS sights you want but dont try to bullshit around. As I stated previously the soviets/russians have designed top notch equipment but build garbage. If they would ever get their head out of their asses and build to spec then you guys would have a reason to brag but its built for an uneducated unmotivated conscript to use and maintain.

 
 
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ColdStart    yeah right   3/2/2011 11:08:50 PM
aha, congress did not let you fight otherwise you'd win. typical excuse of US gov. for its people who were disappointed in its military.
 
the reason of US wuitting that war was S-75 soviet missile defence systems which lead to loss of 2000 more aircrafts. shut up.
 
oh you already started considering yourself american? :) lol "we didnt loose war" hahaha.... very cheap.
 
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Dmitri514    To SantaClown   3/2/2011 11:10:07 PM
So the picture of Russian T-72 in perfect working order PROOFS that destroyed t-72 on another picture, you posted before, is not Georgian but Russian?
 
What did you do in the military, cleaned toilets?
 
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Buzz       3/2/2011 11:13:06 PM

The West spent enough on tanks to keep up with/exceed the Russians while they spent their real effort on PGMs and other tech that has relegated tanks to a less important place in the scheme of things.

 

I've said it before but I'll say it again.  All history students should read these posts by impotent teenage Russian fanboys.  That way they can understand the zeitgeist in Germany after WW1 that led to Hitler.

 


Since the late 60's people have said that the day of the tank had come and gone. The egyptions deploying an unknown at the time russian SAGGAR missile system lead to early battlefield victories against the Israeli army in the 73 war. The Saggars were carried in suitcases and the israelis thought it was funny that the egyption forces looked like they were going on vacation. The isrealis adapted quickly and the losses stopped but the PR battle was won.  This same antitank railings went on and on as better AT weapons were developed but over and over again Tanks have proved their worth. You cant control the land by air and nothing provides so much mobile firepower as the tank does.
BTW to our russian friends are you aware that during the 73 war the Isreali army shot down the vaulted Soviet fighter jets with nothing more that radar?  The Hawke missiles were so effective at taking out every russian made aircraft that when the Hawke Radar was detercted the egyption pilots would eject! So the israelis just started shooting radar blips at the planes and saved a ton of money on missiles.
 
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ColdStart    yeah right   3/2/2011 11:13:12 PM
and message to Santa Claw who talks about two same T72s.
 
You know..if you give the best hardware to idiots they will still fail. Ever knew about such fact? Georgians could not operate those tanks, even tho they were ok (but not great) modifications.(stil not as close to T90).
 
I already pointed out before, that Georgians HAVE LEFT more than 65 tanks on a battlefield! right after they knew that Russian forces are rushing in. Now what? does it mean T72 is bad?
 
your silly and primitive thinking just overflows.
 
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