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Subject: Fundamentally useless armoured vehicles
gf0012-aust    6/8/2004 9:40:41 AM
and now for something completely different. I thought I'd start a thread on armoured vehicles that were niche specific and in real terms sitting ducks for an enemy. Starting off with the Ontos. 4 Recoilless rifles mounted on an armoured letter box and fitted with tracks.
 
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eon    RE:Fundamentally useless armoured vehicles   6/8/2004 9:48:22 AM
There was a similar vehicle to Ontos used by the Japanese GSDF in the 1960s; two 105mm RRs on what looked a lot like a Bren Carrier, with the crew in an open-topped casemate. AFAIK, its only actual use was as background scenery in "Godzilla" movies. And let's not forget the U.S. M56 "Scorpion" airborne SPAT; a very tiny tracked vehicle mounting the same 90mm gun as the early M48 in a completely open mount. when it fired, the entire vehicle reared back like a wild horse. Not Army Ordnance's brightest idea..
 
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PuckaMan    RE:Fundamentally useless armoured vehicles   6/8/2004 10:07:48 AM
Didn't the Ontos have 6 RRs? Apparently, they were useful in 1968 Tet around Hue....... Pucka
 
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ambush    RE:Fundamentally useless armoured vehicles   6/8/2004 10:24:37 AM
The Ontos was never used in its designed for role- Anti-tank. However it was a good weapon system in Viet Nam, but that had more to do withe fine weapons mounted on it than the vehicle itself.
 
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ambush    RE:Fundamentally useless armoured vehicles   6/8/2004 10:25:45 AM
Starting off with the Ontos. 4 Recoilless rifles mounted on an armoured letter box and fitted with tracks. Actually it had six 106s mounted and a 3 cal machinegun
 
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gf0012-aust    Fundamentally useless armoured vehicles - Ontos - Pucka   6/8/2004 10:28:03 AM
The shots I've got are of a 4 stacker. maybe it's a custom job... ;)
 
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gf0012-aust    Fundamentally useless armoured vehicles - Ambush   6/8/2004 10:30:42 AM
see prev. maybe I've got an oddity here. It's a CONUS shot from a training area I think.
 
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Horsesoldier    RE:Fundamentally useless armoured vehicles   6/8/2004 11:20:58 AM
>>Starting off with the Ontos. 4 Recoilless rifles mounted on an armoured letter box and fitted with tracks.<< As others have noted, it worked okay in Vietnam as an infantry fire support vehicle. As an AT vehicle . . . not my cup of tea. The Duster would be in the same vein -- dual 40mm in an open mount. Not worth much at all as a AA vehicle (its intended role), but vicious for anti-personnel work, especially in Korea, where it wreaked a good deal of havoc alongside half-track dual and quad .50 cal mounts.
 
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OplotMira    RE:Fundamentally useless armoured vehicles   6/8/2004 12:33:48 PM
They used flechette rounds with these recoilless rifles didn't they? Nasty! Sincerely OplotMira
 
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AlbanyRifles    106 MM RR ROunds   6/8/2004 1:22:17 PM
Actually, they were cannister.
 
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RetiredCdnTanker    RE:Fundamentally useless armoured vehicles   6/8/2004 2:05:32 PM
Methinks that the M60A2 should be added to this list with the ONTOS. And wasn't there an engineer version of the Centurion with a ridiculously large calibre howitzer, with a barrel about two feet long, with a range of something like 300 meters? AVRE or something like that...
 
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