AMX-10RC performance?

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jacques RE:AMX-10RC performance? 5/3/2004 6:54:50 AM

It's the best vehicle of its class. It has been used expensively in Chad. Basically it's a tank on wheels. It has a 105mm gun with advance stabilization and the best thermal sight in the world. It can engage tanks, helicopters, armour fighting vehicles and infantry. French Foreign Legion it in the same manner the US army use their M1 tank or the royal army use their challenger2. However the AMX10RC can swim while the M1, hallenger, Merkava, etc.. can't. It can be upgunned to 125mm in the future.

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RetiredCdnTanker RE:AMX-10RC performance? 5/3/2004 7:58:37 AM

Jacques, have you ever served on the AMX 10RC? They have been in service since 1980, and even though the first of the upgrade vehicles are being delivered this year, they still use LLTV and ballistic sights. The upgrade will give them a rather simple FCS system and thermal (although I don't think it can be called "the best in the world"). Comparing an AMX 10RC, which is designed as a recce vehicle, to an M1, C2 or leclerc doesn't really work for me. There is no comparison in terms of cross country mobility, protection, and firepower, which is the benchmarks of comparisons for MBT's..

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ilpars RE:AMX-10RC performance? 5/3/2004 8:08:39 AM

AMX-10RC is a recon vehicle not an MBT. It should be compared against other recon vehicles.

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Shirrush RE:AMX-10RC performance? 5/3/2004 9:38:42 AM

And the market for wheeled light tanks/recon vehicles-with cannon is getting tough too: Have a look at Iveco's Centauro, or Denel's Roivalk; these look way cooler than the cramped AMX-10RC and it's low-recoil plinker!

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interrested 2 RE:AMX-10RC performance? 5/3/2004 11:15:52 AM

huh the Rooivalk is an attack helo..... link

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stim RE:AMX-10RC performance? 5/3/2004 11:21:40 AM

he meant the rooikat; also the gun on the AMX is a standard 105mm gun, no lowrecoil gun (although it is an option)

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Shirrush RE: Rooikat 105 5/3/2004 11:24:36 AM

Sorry, you're right, I was refering to the Rooikat 105 - link -, and it's made by Alvis OMC, not by Denel. I've always been puzzled by these Afrikaner names anyway...

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Mark F RE:AMX-10RC performance? 5/3/2004 8:47:09 PM

The gun on the AMX-10RC is not a "standard 105mm" if your talking L7 class, which is the western standard for 105mm high-velocity AFV guns. The AMX-10's 105mm F2 gun fires lower-powered ammunition than the L7/M68 series and the rounds are in no way interchangable. A mind-life upgrade would have replaced this gun with the L7 compatible G2 but I am not certain if this ever went ahead.

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shawn RE:AMX-10RC performance? 5/3/2004 11:20:42 PM

The original post by wagner95696 also asked about the skid steering system of the AMX-10RC. To my knowledge, this is the only wheeled AFV to currently employ this system. All new AFVs since then have 'conventional' steering systems. I personally think the skid steering system was not a big success, as it would limit the vechicle's maneuverability, in comparision to a traced AFV, in heavy, muddy terrain, this may be why the only foreign sales of the AMX-10RC were to Qatar and Morocco. The AMX-10RC was even too expensive for the French Army, who cut its total procurement in favour of the ECR-90.

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wagner95696 RE:AMX-10RC performance? 5/4/2004 5:26:22 PM

I can testify from personal experience that it is not all that difficult to get tracked vehicles stuck in heavy mud. My brother told me that he often had his M-60 stuck quiet often when he was serving in the Fulda area in the 1960's. I was also worrying about tire wear on paved surfaces where the front and rear tires would grip the road instead of sliding. I imagine that even with accelerated wear tires would be cheaper and more durable than tracks. One advantage of skid steering is that it allows the hull to be full width from end to end and when combined with leading/trailing arm suspension it permits a wider hull. This simplifies construction and allows more interior space and more bouyancy in amphibious vehicles.

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