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Subject: China Unofficially Arms The Kurds
SYSOP    5/27/2015 5:29:22 AM
 
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keffler25       5/27/2015 8:42:36 AM
China? Is it not more likely the Pak copy of the HJ-8?, the Baktar Shikan? Also, the missile system ,may owe more to the very successful Milan than it does to TOW. (excellent cable telemetry to the missile and more accessible for the Chinese to steal and copy.) and to the UK Swingfire (for the missile and warhead) than to TOW.  
 
 
 
 
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Yimmy       5/27/2015 1:17:24 PM
I believe ny rumour that Swingfire was a great big and powerful, but random missile.  I don't think it often worked as advertised.  A bit like other missiles of similar generation, like Blowpipe.
 
What are Pakistan's terms with the Kurds?  As a state Pakistan seems to have rather mixed politics; some fight the Taliban, whilst others arm the Taliban etc
 
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keffler25       5/27/2015 1:42:01 PM
Not aware that it was any worse than TOW. That missile (TOW) in its early models tended to wander off guidance, but was still considered successful enough to keep at it until problems like the teleguidance shorting out in the rain or in salt water was fixed. What was the main problem with Swingfire? The thrust vectored control? .    
 
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joe6pack       5/27/2015 3:34:12 PM
>Also, the missile system ,may owe more to the very successful Milan than it does to TOW
 
 
Which, on a related front, when I went looking for information on this topic - the Kurds seemed to have more than few Milan systems.  Supplied by Germany? And according to a German video.. the Kurds are so happy with it.. they are naming children after it.  
 
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Yimmy       5/27/2015 4:07:35 PM
I can't remember the rumoured problem with Swingfire.  Could well be bollocks.  I doubt the operators had many rounds to practice with; they probably had one a year or something stupid.  So, a bit disheartening if you missed.... but I don't have a clue.  I should probably have said the 'I don't have a clue' bit at the start.
 
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robbief1       5/27/2015 4:13:15 PM
Unlikely they come directly from China, unless China has lost faith in Assad or is buying Kurdish oil
 
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keffler25       5/27/2015 7:33:39 PM
Trenchsol has mentioned that some of the Balkan nations broken out of the former Yugoslavia have been gun running through Turkey and into Syria. I know that the Bosnians used the Baktar Shikan and that the Chinese HJ-8 has shown  up in places like Albania, and Syria.     
Unlikely they come directly from China, unless China has lost faith in Assad or is buying Kurdish oil

 
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Sty0pa       5/27/2015 8:53:10 PM
I'd be curious how it's faring against the former-Iraqi-Army-now-ISIS M1's that we left them.
 
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Nate Dog    Spiky   5/29/2015 1:17:07 AM
They should be doing fine

Those were stripped down hand over to yokels abrahams, without all the really impressive stuff the US army halls around. Pretty sure those missiles, if they're anything like a TOW2 will make swiss cheese out of them.
 
 
 
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sublimebohemian       5/29/2015 4:36:21 PM
Those M1s lack a lot of things. Very much an export version. No DU armor for sure. They also guzzle gas right? So, I think experience with Russian gear and the environmentally friendly aspects of T72s will mean that's the most likely MBT to be seeing in ISIS hands?
 
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