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Subject: Russian armour development.
00_Chem_AJB    6/4/2008 3:01:34 PM
As we all know the Russians seem to love their ERA, however ERA has its down sides: After one shot on the ERA, the protection offered by that tile or slab is gone. And of course the dangers for nearby infantry, though this, according to the Russians*, has been reduced with Kontkat-5 as the slab is not reduced to shrapnel like the older Kontkat-1. Now there is alot of speculation as to what will be Russia's new tank when they unveil it next year, but it seems it will incorporate Russia's latest ERA Kactus.** So my question is has Russia focused on making better ERA in favour of further development of composite armour more commonly seen on Western MBTs, after all Russia was the first to use composite (Combination K) on the T-64*** link * link ** link ** link
 
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Herald12345       6/7/2008 8:28:02 PM

h*tp://img392.imageshack.us/img392/8891/rpg7abramsgr9.jpg

Why did that RPG shot went through the main turret ?

Cheers .


Where is the splintering and slag? Provide text to confirm incident and type of weapon employed . Beware that this could be a trap.

Herald
 
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Bluewings12       6/7/2008 9:30:50 PM
Herald , I don 't think that I can keep the discussion going with you . When I post some pictures to back up what I say , you ask for more . If I give you more , you will AGAIN ask for more until I have nothing else to provide and by some poor magic of yours , you 'll say that you were right from the begining ...

I can 't deal with that attitude and I deeply apologize to the other readers , I really do .

Until you post something relevant showing that :
-1) what I said is wrong (PROVE IT)
-2) you can back up your words with understandable pictures and texts

I will not answer any of your post in this thread . The ball is in your camp .

Cheers .

 
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Bluewings12       6/7/2008 10:07:19 PM
As far as I know Tanks , this is the only other contender beside the Leclerc for the best armored Tank :
the STRV122 :

h*tp://img409.imageshack.us/img409/8346/sstrv122driverje9.jpg

That beast is equipped with the latest NERA and the glacis has been hardened like mad . The only thing the Leclerc has over this Tank is the front side hull with its NERA protection :
h*tp://img388.imageshack.us/my.php?image=leclerc1vu1.jpg

The driver has an excellent side protection if the Tank is showing a bit of the fron hull .

Cheers .

 
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Bluewings12       6/7/2008 10:18:03 PM
The Abrams and Challenger II are nowhere near that kind of protection .

At least , the Russians have ERA on their MBTs and Israel has the really strong Merkava .

Cheers .



 
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Herald12345    Nice try no cigar.   6/7/2008 10:18:22 PM
Nic
Herald , I don 't think that I can keep the discussion going with you . When I post some pictures to back up what I say , you ask for more . If I give you more , you will AGAIN ask for more until I have nothing else to provide and by some poor magic of yours , you 'll say that you were right from the begining ...

I can 't deal with that attitude and I deeply apologize to the other readers , I really do .

Until you post something relevant showing that :
-1) what I said is wrong (PROVE IT)
-2) you can back up your words with understandable pictures and texts

I will not answer any of your post in this thread . The ball is in your camp .

Cheers .

Here's why:







taken from here.

Photo stream....

Now what WRONG with your alleged photograph?

HMMMMMMMM?

Herald


 
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Herald12345    Nice try no cigar. ADDENDUM   6/7/2008 10:22:40 PM

Nice try no cigar. SNAP!

Herald , I don 't think that I can keep the discussion going with you . When I post some pictures to back up what I say , you ask for more . If I give you more , you will AGAIN ask for more until I have nothing else to provide and by some poor magic of yours , you 'll say that you were right from the begining ...

I can 't deal with that attitude and I deeply apologize to the other readers , I really do .

Until you post something relevant showing that :
-1) what I said is wrong (PROVE IT)
-2) you can back up your words with understandable pictures and texts

I will not answer any of your post in this thread . The ball is in your camp .

Cheers .


Here's why:

First is from a wheeled APC.



Second is M-1 hit in the flank by an RPG.





taken from here.

Photo stream....

Now what WRONG with your alleged photograph?

HMMMMMMMM?

Herald


It speaks for itself.

Herald

 
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Bluewings12       6/7/2008 10:29:37 PM
The link you provided is showing a side hull hit (well known link btw) when mine is showing a side turret hit .

I am talking about Chobham armor (turret) being penetrated by portable AT weapons .

Cheers .


 
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Herald12345       6/7/2008 10:34:14 PM

The link you provided is showing a side hull hit (well known link btw) when mine is showing a side turret hit .

I am talking about Chobham armor (turret) being penetrated by portable AT weapons .

Cheers .


Meaningless noise. You should quit while you are WAY behind. You don't know what you are talking about. PERIOD.

Steel is steel.

Herald

 
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Bluewings12       6/7/2008 10:54:59 PM
Another thing , look :

h*tp://img383.imageshack.us/img383/634/img4005yo6.jpg

(that is one of the many pictures you 'll never see on the Net from Irak)
Then , this one too :

h*tp://img177.imageshack.us/img177/2353/nm040909f2034c021ij3.jpg
(great pic isn 't it)

Why the TC and/or the gunner has to stay outside to man the 7.62 ?
When you can have a remote computer driven 7.62 like on the Leclerc as seen on the picture I provided .

Now Herald , what happened to that Abrams ? :
h*tp://img444.imageshack.us/img444/1015/nmp1010176ul2.jpg.

Nevertheless , the Abrams survived a Iraki car (humour) :
h*tp://img501.imageshack.us/img501/9274/p1020062dh6.jpg

Cheers .



 
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Bluewings12       6/7/2008 11:01:03 PM
The dead Abrams :
h*tp://img356.imageshack.us/img356/5408/nmp1010176ay6.jpg

Cheers .

 
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