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Subject: Leclerc Emergency - No Spare Parts
Softwar    11/30/2007 8:48:39 AM
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France has issued an urgent call to the land armaments group Nexter to manufacture new spare parts for its Leclerc main battle tank because the French Army's stocks of spares have fallen to dangerously low levels.

Defence ministry aides in Paris said an emergency contract had been awarded to state-owned Nexter - formerly GIAT - to produce fresh spares for the army's current inventory of 355 Leclercs and 20 recovery vehicles. The value of the contract was not divulged.

Army officials said the availability rate of Leclerc had fallen to 40 per cent and that maintenance costs for the 56-ton MBT accounted for a quarter of the army's EUR550 million (USD810 million) maintenance budget in 2007.

The defence ministry officials gave no indication of how many Leclercs were immobilised due to lack of spares.
 
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Herald1234    No surprise.   11/30/2007 9:12:29 AM
The 1% strike again. Poor Sarkozy keeps uncovering Le Worm's legacy doesn't he?
 
Herald
 
 
 
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Softwar       11/30/2007 9:26:34 AM
It says alot about the state of the French military and political structure.  No spare parts = no tanks available.
 
"Amateurs talk tactics...  Professionals talk logistics."
Napoleon
 
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doggtag       11/30/2007 10:13:16 AM
Is it the fact that sufficient spares were never purchased to begin with,
or is the Leclerc that unreliable, that it eats up maintenance and parts too quickly?
 
Do the French even have any of their MBTs deployed anywhere outside of France?
Because if not, and these things are maintenance whores with just peacetime training ops leaving them without adequate spares support,
god forbid they ever have to actually deploy and fight a real war with them.
 
(Didn't the Saudis buy some?
Are they having as bad a go at reliability and lack of spares?)
 
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Softwar       11/30/2007 10:56:55 AM

Is it the fact that sufficient spares were never purchased to begin with,

or is the Leclerc that unreliable, that it eats up maintenance and parts too quickly?

 

Do the French even have any of their MBTs deployed anywhere outside of France?

Because if not, and these things are maintenance whores with just peacetime training ops leaving them without adequate spares support,

god forbid they ever have to actually deploy and fight a real war with them.

 

(Didn't the Saudis buy some?

Are they having as bad a go at reliability and lack of spares?)



France is listed as having 406 with 20 recovery variants.  The United Arab Emirates has 388 with 46 recovery variants.
 
15 are listed in Kosovo and 13 in Lebanon for the UN peacekeeping ops.
 
Don't know if the UAE has had any problems.... yet.
 
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Yimmy       11/30/2007 11:57:17 AM
I don't really understand why everyone is taking the attitudes that their are problems.  There has been no indication of tanks unfit for service or of early breakdowns - just of a lack of stores held.  In itself it means nothing.
 
 
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flamingknives       11/30/2007 12:38:47 PM
What would be interesting is if someone could find the year-on-year percentage of the French maintenance budget allocated to the LeClerc
 
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YelliChink       11/30/2007 7:08:08 PM


I don't really understand why everyone is taking the attitudes that their are problems.  There has been no indication of tanks unfit for service or of early breakdowns - just of a lack of stores held.  In itself it means nothing.

 




There are three factors that may contribute to this mishap:
 
1. Wrongful planning on prediction of required parts led to less-than-expected spare parts, or wrongful planning of replacements due to overstock of expired parts,
 
2. Lower standard, unqualified, or wrongfully installed parts got dumped, or higher worn-out rate due to original design fault,
 
3. Higher-than-expect OP-tempo due to increase exercise, training and deployment.
 
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Yimmy       11/30/2007 8:08:32 PM
4.  They knew they hadn't bought enough, but didn't think they could ask for any more $ at that time, and didn't want to lose tanks over it.
 
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FJV       12/1/2007 7:44:00 AM
This could be the result of implementing management techniques that are not fully understood.

There is this management technique where you keep the amount of stores as low as possible. If this is not done exactly right, you get effects like this.




 
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Herald1234       12/1/2007 8:53:07 AM

This could be the result of implementing management techniques that are not fully understood.

There is this management technique where you keep the amount of stores as low as possible. If this is not done exactly right, you get effects like this.





Just in time inventory management. Works wonderfully commerciually and can work, militarily too......IF you maintain a wartime reserve parts base as your ready stock. France didn't, which is why their Leclerc fleet is in such trouble. 

They are the victims of their own logistics methodologies. 

This would happen to them if either one of two conditrions occurred:
a. Parts wore out faster than they expected, which givwen the Leclerc should have been an apriori assumption as the tank really pushed French technology to the breaking point.   
b. Their logistics planners poorly understood the just in time inventory concept; and/or didn't have a clue as to what their war reserve stocks should have been.
 
Given the generally poor real market, technological comprehension, and logistics skills shown by the French governmental management class as a whole, my guess is that (b.) is the major culprit with (a.) being a contributing factor.
 
This type of bungling is not confined to France. The Clinton Administration never undersatood why you needed a large spare parts budget for your armed forces, either.
 
Incompetence: logistic, technological, and managerial, is a mindset that affects academics who never had to run a business successfully.  
 
The current Bush Admionistration also shows signs of this disease.
 
Herald
 
 
 
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flamingknives       12/1/2007 12:28:19 PM
Certainly when I worked with a just-in-time system, there were 'boxes' of parts. Stock was sufficient to last until the next delivery was made. Taking one off the shelf sent the signal to order another one, and the quantity in each box was agreed with the supplier to be a suitable size for a production run or shipment.

It is very easy to mess up if you get the quantities or re-order system wrong.

The important thing to remember is the "possible" in "as low as possible". It isn't an arbitrarily low amount, and in some cases can be very large.
 
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Herald1234       12/1/2007 4:05:49 PM

Certainly when I worked with a just-in-time system, there were 'boxes' of parts. Stock was sufficient to last until the next delivery was made. Taking one off the shelf sent the signal to order another one, and the quantity in each box was agreed with the supplier to be a suitable size for a production run or shipment.

It is very easy to mess up if you get the quantities or re-order system wrong.

The important thing to remember is the "possible" in "as low as possible". It isn't an arbitrarily low amount, and in some cases can be very large.
I agree with this absolutely. It depends on the managers/users being smart enough to know what the base lot number should be in case you have a surge in the normally expected demand draw. Its easy to screw this system up if you don't have a self correcting tracking of parts usage history as an informnation feedback loop. I don't remember the British as having neglected to incorporate this feature.

Herald

 
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Bluewings12       12/5/2007 4:54:53 PM
Yimmy :
""4.  They knew they hadn't bought enough, but didn't think they could ask for any more $ at that time, and didn't want to lose tanks over it.""

That is exactly what happened . It is a common thing in the French Forces to go for a good and expensive stuff with just the needed money to buy it without giving much $ for the spares , typical ...
Our DoD will sort it out ~as usual~ but for a bigger amount of cash than if they did get it in the first place ~again as usual .
It is what happen when you do not put enough money in your Forces and if you have a couple of clowns running the budget , as Herald rightly said .

The average availability of Leclerc has been around 65% , which is low . Too low to my taste .

Cheers .

 

 
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Mechanic       12/5/2007 5:16:22 PM
I know one spare part purchase that generated minor problems:

A stock of spare parts for a new system was being purchased. To determine what to purchase a larger operator spare part usage for last couple of years was studied and the used spares amount was scaled to the much smaller number of systems being purchased.

What they ended up with included a 15 cm piece of one type of coaxial cable that was too short to connect any two devices in the system.

Luckily the spares as whole were more than adequate.

 
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dirtykraut       12/5/2007 5:22:29 PM
Bluewings, here is something I've always wanted to ask you. Why do you talk like a brit? No offense meant by this, just an honest question.
 
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